Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:61685) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RHGW6-0004BY-AU; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:20 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf3905594pzk.16 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=i4e66MiBOaix1ydUOz+GvWTPFZSH3lmoPTE7ihOQysU=; b=t+iF3wc9lzg9iLK30fw/peB4d6n3GwmkDCbGiLnCUO7rnKEUz25ULTaNELvg0p5uGS rYKrhsoy05JtdDEq+UXCotgApJoKQy5eRbg0kaKE87tBrQmEI2Ooz3BvyZ5EzTs4fyud JXr/Ujz35OFBq7O3pZZBXBfHc5Chm7QV4F4WU= Received: by 10.68.157.133 with SMTP id wm5mr2729651pbb.10.1319208965690; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.42.97 with SMTP id n1ls12310492pbl.2.gmail; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.35.68 with SMTP id f4mr12122168pbj.5.1319208963413; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.35.68 with SMTP id f4mr12122166pbj.5.1319208963401; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id lf12si11061566pbb.2.2011.10.21.07.56.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p9LEu2MB019329 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:56:03 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RHGVu-0006yx-H3 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:56:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:56:02 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Message-ID: <20111021145602.GE28229@gonzales> References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201110201551.34676.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EA0D3C2.4050708@gmail.com> <201110202325.23106.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8vCeF2GUdMpe9ZbK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201110202325.23106.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: stuzi User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --8vCeF2GUdMpe9ZbK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 23:25 -0400 - Pierre Abbat : > On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote: > > When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, but= I > > think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to > > construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now recal= l, > > "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" would= be > > the "one in every two apples" one. >=20 > If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise" sh= ould=20 > mean "every apple". {pa pi no lo plise} would have to mean "all the apples" (together). So integers and reals act differently as quantifiers, even when they're equal as numbers. It's only quite ugly. --8vCeF2GUdMpe9ZbK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6hiAIACgkQULC7OLX7LNZjbQCeJJxrdYezxlupdYdrJs543chZ swwAmwTo+MqioxPWeJZCbDePw5fTc/KT =m5Y9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8vCeF2GUdMpe9ZbK--