Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:55481) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RHGeN-0004IP-Dt; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:48 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf4698273bka.16 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=cQSXPuH1RJfF2AXeZHZN7R3nUaPucodJAxDpBOQDKks=; b=t6HICd09Angqm5JfEbKdsJKPbnehRDXQSAB7aGdHKdeE7A2RfrcYtJlpu7xQlNBBTK hiNzD/C7/qzy3zdQPQIgzCvgHmEizjEGCVdhvrtXHvj8XWrV1ApWmY/XNGNX1t0ixrY5 UU1HanTvTXhkJMxt/0WDs/RCknOmTI2V9fAQc= Received: by 10.223.18.212 with SMTP id x20mr3651549faa.0.1319209477080; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.29.7 with SMTP id o7ls562415bkc.2.gmail; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.155 with SMTP id x27mr1910466bkw.7.1319209475935; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.155 with SMTP id x27mr1910465bkw.7.1319209475915; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t17si6523703fad.2.2011.10.21.08.04.35; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=xpiJhaXcY9g2L5+PPpDCkNh+KVu4STcfCxbrT9KJo/A= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=6eLm-LxrWz8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=hR8hdbQIU2aw0kfjxukA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:34043] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 8D/D9-02292-20A81AE4; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:04:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A21B9C5 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:04:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201110202325.23106.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20111021145602.GE28229@gonzales> In-Reply-To: <20111021145602.GE28229@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201110211104.31202.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday 21 October 2011 10:56:02 Martin Bays wrote: > {pa pi no lo plise} would have to mean "all the apples" (together). > > So integers and reals act differently as quantifiers, even when they're > equal as numbers. It's only quite ugly. I say that "pa lo plise", "papino lo plise", and "piro lo plise" all mean t= he=20 same, "one apple", but with different emphasis (the last is better translat= ed=20 as "an entire apple"). I was answering what would happen if And's=20 interpretation were correct. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.