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John E Clifford, On 21/10/2011 16:35:
> I don't see why; {djacu} is as quantized as every other Lojban predicate.

You don't agree that half an amount of water is also an amount of water?

--And.

>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 6:52:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural
> variable
>
> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>> * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 23:25 -0400 - Pierre Abbat<phma@phma.optus.nu>:
>>
>>> On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote:
>>>> When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, but I
>>>> think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to
>>>> construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now recall,
>>>> "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" would be
>>>> the "one in every two apples" one.
>>>
>>> If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise" should
>>> mean "every apple". I think "lo pimu plise" is "a half apple"
>>
>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>> aren't apples.
>
> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu djacu}
> passes it.
>
> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that by the
> Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would instead
> have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
>
> --And.
>

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