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Sorry, I seem to have missed the point.  I took the failure of {su'o djacu}=
 to be because  "at least one" did not get to the minimum possibility, henc=
e the need to go to "more than zero".  But that was me getting mixed up in =
the surrounding talk about{pi} and {lo}.

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:53, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> John E Clifford, On 21/10/2011 16:35:
>> I don't see why; {djacu} is as quantized as every other Lojban predicate=
.
>=20
> You don't agree that half an amount of water is also an amount of water?
>=20
> --And.
>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>
>> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 6:52:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plu=
ral
>> variable
>>=20
>> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>>> * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 23:25 -0400 - Pierre Abbat<phma@phma.optus.nu=
>:
>>>=20
>>>> On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote:
>>>>> When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, b=
ut I
>>>>> think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to
>>>>> construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now rec=
all,
>>>>> "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" wou=
ld be
>>>>> the "one in every two apples" one.
>>>>=20
>>>> If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise"=
 should
>>>> mean "every apple". I think "lo pimu plise" is "a half apple"
>>>=20
>>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>>> aren't apples.
>>=20
>> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu dja=
cu}
>> passes it.
>>=20
>> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that=
 by the
>> Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would ins=
tead
>> have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
>>=20
>> --And.
>>=20
>=20
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