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John E. Clifford, On 21/10/2011 19:00:
> Sorry, I seem to have missed the point.  I took the failure of {su'o djac=
u} to be because  "at least one" did not get to the minimum possibility, he=
nce the need to go to "more than zero".  But that was me getting mixed up i=
n the surrounding talk about{pi} and {lo}.

No, I did say that as an afterthought, and I was wrong. {su'o djacu} does w=
ork. What doesn't work is any specific cardinal other than ci'i. So {pa dja=
cu} and {re djacu} fail, by the Goatleg rule, which says that bare PA means=
 "exactly PA, no more and no less".

--And.

>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:53, And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> John E Clifford, On 21/10/2011 16:35:
>>> I don't see why; {djacu} is as quantized as every other Lojban predicat=
e.
>>
>> You don't agree that half an amount of water is also an amount of water?
>>
>> --And.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>
>>> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 6:52:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified pl=
ural
>>> variable
>>>
>>> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>>>> * Thursday, 2011-10-20 at 23:25 -0400 - Pierre Abbat<phma@phma.optus.n=
u>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday 20 October 2011 22:06:58 And Rosta wrote:
>>>>>> When I was last up-to-date with developments, nothing was official, =
but I
>>>>>> think I can recall the rudiments of our best efforts at that time to
>>>>>> construct a consistent and rational gadri system. As far as I now re=
call,
>>>>>> "half an apple" would be "lo pi mu plise", while "pi mu lo plise" wo=
uld be
>>>>>> the "one in every two apples" one.
>>>>>
>>>>> If "pimu lo plise" means "one in every two apples", then "pa lo plise=
" should
>>>>> mean "every apple". I think "lo pimu plise" is "a half apple"
>>>>
>>>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>>>> aren't apples.
>>>
>>> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu dj=
acu}
>>> passes it.
>>>
>>> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note tha=
t by the
>>> Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would in=
stead
>>> have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
>>>
>>> --And.
>>>
>>
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