Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:60381) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RHgOm-00010A-2P; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:31 -0700 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf4681370vcb.16 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ygERHG429c2TEhKVxjs1rDkFZstrQaLh2zFqpCclbgI=; b=Ygl+rtNbqEokPQMPkj2w2e8xYIU5lqHuXNU2OWVjEdd/aoUIGibmWBwCLOnwyU9l5O 5gKxjFHDEW3aykV8F7uT0Sg5frchmoibyGYwKhOW5ew1CNtnR/M8bY8b91JUM/hY61P4 YDbo/BtuHi85cVGX3VErCoUf3GViMs3KwUVMo= Received: by 10.220.115.75 with SMTP id h11mr1621072vcq.28.1319308454854; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.28.171 with SMTP id c11ls9042440vdh.1.gmail; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.203.201 with SMTP id fj9mr1643810vcb.38.1319308454035; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] lojban and PR From: jongausib To: lojban X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / coi ro le lojbo prami I've been thinking a lot about the future of lojban since I started to learn it this summer. I really think that lojban has great potential of becoming the most significant transnational language; to be a cultural neutral language in contexts where global issues matters rather than national-local culture, ijo to use as a scientific language etc. And I think that there's a need among the people of the world to have something as a common global platform to gather around as the world becomes both more diversified and more unified. Something which is the language of the civic society, not just of those who got most symbolic, political and economic power. But this is not going to happen unless lojbanists make it happen. So I think we have to organize ourselves better, making strategies of how we can market/promote lojban efficiently so more people get to know that the language exists. And a very important concern: if lojban ever becomes succesful, so how can we prevent it from being swallowed by economic interests? Who got the patent? Who is/are able of selling it? I'm new as jbopli, maybe you have already discussed the visions and future goals of lojban a lot. Anyway, there are some things I have noticed. The lojban.org website isn't very welcoming nor clear. I think that's the first impression of lojban new potential jbopli will make. The design could be much better (but I've figured out that there's too much to be done for Mr Powell alone). If I could wish just some improvements that would be a project list (with different actual projects in lojban, for example chemistry nomenclature project, translations in progress, news in the lojban community etc) and a userlist (where perhaps you may register your skill resources, for example if you're an expert of birds, which language-skills you have, professional experience of translation or programming, etc). And I'm sorry, but I also think the logo would have to be more attractive. Even the simple logo of Toki pona is a far more positive and attractive logo: en.tokipona.org. uikipedias doesn't look so good either. Couldn't you just use templates from for example the swedish or spanish wikipedias (I like the design of those versions better than the english in fact). I've also been thinking of copy the lexical structure of other wikipedias. That would result in a lot of empty pages for now, but at least that would be a good structure to start with. Because jbo.uikipedias is going to be the scientific standard in the future - iepei!?;) I'm neither a skilled jbopli or a webdesigner, so unfortunately I can't contribute much, except with my opinions. My own goal right now is to be able to speak and write lojban fluent, and that will take a while I think. Next goal for me is to start marketing and teaching lojban here in Sweden. And I feel really serious about this. So any ideas how the lojban movement could be more outgoing, organized and professional? mu'o mi'e jongausib. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.