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 Content preview:  Well, you would, of course. But a Classifier that is only
   implicit, never overt, is somewhat suspect linguistically. And that view does
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Well, you would, of course.  But a Classifier that is only implicit, never =
overt, is somewhat suspect linguistically.  And that view does go against 5=
5 years of history (with occasional odd moments).

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On Oct 21, 2011, at 17:55, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:52 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>>>=20
>>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>>> aren't apples.
>=20
> Unless you use a Banach-Tarski knife to cut them in two.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox
>=20
>> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu dja=
cu}
>> passes it.
>=20
> What about:
>=20
>    lo pi mu grana cu grana
>    lo pi mu pluta cu pluta
>    lo pi mu girzu cu girzu
>    lo pi mu pagbu cu pagbu
>    lo pi mu namcu cu namcu?
>=20
>> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that=
 b
>> the Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would
>> instead have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
>=20
> Instead of saying that all Lojban predicates are count, I'd rather say
> that they are all mass, and that quantifiers induce an implicit
> classifier on them, which is often context dependent.
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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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