Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:33400) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RHjp4-0003Ab-BO; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:52 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf6462710bka.16 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MudaX0u+UWEIkJzJIBqs7kqTsOqvebD+SQIlRGAdIsQ=; b=3GILEVem6lk1cEVpxEV5SWBYW6xx195Ba/o9DTlp2RUMeZIIbuWZZI4UpZmADN6no8 fq7zkf47ATrzMuCrFkkcd+tckHkJJxvS8RE4TMPC8rrcdsLzl3JlxS8AOn6HT3aNz1rc e0sMeAdOSl+u1hqhJR1As90JAYUk2DvF9vb3w= Received: by 10.223.79.131 with SMTP id p3mr6291646fak.4.1319321616180; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.145.1 with SMTP id b1ls385400bkv.3.gmail; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.7.214 with SMTP id e22mr2468517bke.2.1319321613987; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.7.214 with SMTP id e22mr2468516bke.2.1319321613947; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f42.google.com (mail-bw0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10si2801451bkq.2.2011.10.22.15.13.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by bkbzv15 with SMTP id zv15so6866193bkb.15 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.36.193 with SMTP id u1mr22400318fad.27.1319321613688; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.165 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201110201551.34676.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EA0D3C2.4050708@gmail.com> <201110202325.23106.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20111021041242.GC28229@gonzales> <4EA15CE9.3000900@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:13:33 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM, John E. Clifford w= rote: > =A0But a Classifier that is only implicit, never overt, is somewhat susp= ect linguistically. =A0And that view does go against 55 years of history (w= ith occasional odd moments). So what did you mean when you said that Lojban thinking would take the number [of djacu] to be the number of separate puddles or whatever. Wouldn't "separate puddles" be an implicit classifier in "ci djacu"? mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.