Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:36444) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RHlol-0005Pl-WC; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:40 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf6521673bka.16 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FQ5I4PfXk3JDiXMwfNTc8YfdYANXgmk3agOHqvKfKy8=; b=fV4h/c+NotRmmMjw0DO9OtY8aRj3xTnWWe6DXp36PupjygIxISqd46vYwXUDjhqwy8 kDUh96Cc83nkVmvfmPphYRojZKP1YOzUl95N7OWnCmR4UkQuWcH6rP3mBPmEAlEOmgI/ 8u5J7gi0g0BH7Dyi3/vUwOojOHB9yLjDEJGck= Received: by 10.223.58.148 with SMTP id g20mr4930377fah.9.1319329285541; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.26.200 with SMTP id f8ls4212566bkc.0.gmail; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.148.84 with SMTP id o20mr2534909bkv.6.1319329284060; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.148.84 with SMTP id o20mr2534908bkv.6.1319329284047; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com (mail-bw0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1si2849636bkn.1.2011.10.22.17.21.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.45; Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2so8415418bka.18 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.16.82 with SMTP id n18mr33670722faa.2.1319329283833; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.165 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:21:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9F24553B-B6BD-4940-B405-871BB5AB1D07@yahoo.com> References: <1318202744.44997.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201110201551.34676.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EA0D3C2.4050708@gmail.com> <201110202325.23106.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20111021041242.GC28229@gonzales> <4EA15CE9.3000900@gmail.com> <9F24553B-B6BD-4940-B405-871BB5AB1D07@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:21:23 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:45 PM, John E. Clifford wrote: > It's not in the quantifier, but in the predicate, "a quantity of water". I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about. I didn't say it was in the quantifier, I said it was induced by quantifiers. In any case, as And pointed out it can't be just any quantity or it would always quantify to "ci'i", so it has to be a contextually relevant quantity, be it a puddle, a glass, a bottle, a bucket, a drop, a measure, a body of water. We can either make it explicit ("ci dirgo be lo djacu") or leave it implicit ("ci djacu"). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.