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Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 21/10/2011 22:55:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:52 AM, And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Martin Bays, On 21/10/2011 05:12:
>>> But {lo PA broda cu broda} is meant to be a tautology. Half-apples
>>> aren't apples.
>> So {lo pi mu plise cu plise} fails that test, but {lo pi mu djacu cu dja=
cu}
>> passes it.
>
> What about:
>
>      lo pi mu grana cu grana
>      lo pi mu pluta cu pluta
>      lo pi mu girzu cu girzu
>      lo pi mu pagbu cu pagbu
>      lo pi mu namcu cu namcu?

I agree with you that the answers to these questions reside in the semantic=
on entries that the lexicon entries point to.
 =20
>> Following a line of thought that that observation initiates, I note that=
 by
>> the Goatleg rule, {su'o plise} is okay but {su'o djacu} is not and would
>> instead have to be {za'u djacu} or {ci'i djacu}.
>
> Instead of saying that all Lojban predicates are count, I'd rather say
> that they are all mass, and that quantifiers induce an implicit
> classifier on them, which is often context dependent.

As usual, I agree with you. So, as John said, adjectival glosses are genera=
lly preferable, out of context, to nominal ones, e.g. "is human" rather tha=
n "is a human".

--And.

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