Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:59412) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RI1aH-0004Zk-Jx; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:47 -0700 Received: by ywa17 with SMTP id 17sf4462859ywa.16 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=udpBfm/q2Is6kdx7AHhj2Ht/BgGYvA+pyWbz3+8j6MA=; b=IfXci3ZF0ta2+AXaxrnRboS/1POjot5kCNQqIxQ+OpP+ubN8zAj837z20eX5/joBXr VOjghGmbwT6RE0rNXNPrGVCMFoldArU5goJvQn4Fqb+wAtcd2ZkJzDH6HCaU++7edmEY jxNErgcEqVpkrcACWv8Tc4L6JMkoG+FmD82zs= Received: by 10.150.67.7 with SMTP id p7mr5722096yba.8.1319389892705; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.35.17 with SMTP id i17ls8291079ybi.1.gmail; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr36189309yhk.4.1319389891933; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr36189306yhk.4.1319389891919; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z70si6284076yhn.5.2011.10.23.10.11.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.44; Received: by ywt2 with SMTP id 2so1969765ywt.31 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.73.71 with SMTP id j7mr2591873obv.55.1319389891731; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.37.70 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <17558590.1835.1319383267925.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> References: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> <17558590.1835.1319383267925.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lojban and PR From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044480d7d120af04affa65e7 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d044480d7d120af04affa65e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are other issues too. {mu'a} The language is not finalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji'i} 200 discussion about {zo'e}). The language is not self-hosting (many definitions of words, especially gismu, rely on another language, often English, to be understood) The learning material is out-dated (old morphology rules, xorlo, dot side, etc). The people who are actively working on the language (of whom there are few) are doing so in their spare time. As for your question of "Who's got the patent?", international IP law is even more complicated than any single nation's, but in the US, first of all, the language would be protected by a copyright (if at all), and (although I don't understand all the details) I think the answer to your question is "The Logical Language Group, Inc.". On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Muhammad Nael wrote: > I can't help much here; but here's what I have. While I wholeheartedly > agree with your general terms, I believe that revamping the language first > before taking such big steps should be a priority... Arabic lived for more > than 500 years as a poetry (and day-to-day) language with its people before > it became the language of science for centuries more (after al-Qur'an of > course)... My point is, we should take this a transitional stage towards a > more sophisticated, easier to use and more culturally neutral language... I > still don't like that Lojban only used six base languages; I'd rather it be > 100% a priori language... > Good day and good luck, > MN > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/iDBw0dhhYZUJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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{mu'a}

The language is not fi= nalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji'i} 200 discussion about {zo'e}= ).
The language is not self-hosting (many definitions of words, especial= ly gismu, rely on another language, often English, to be understood)
The learning material is out-dated (old morphology rules, xorlo, dot side, = etc).
The people who are actively working on the language (of whom there= are few) are doing so in their spare time.

As for your question of = "Who's got the patent?", international IP law is even more co= mplicated than any single nation's, but in the US, first of all, the la= nguage would be protected by a copyright (if at all), and (although I don&#= 39;t understand all the details) I think the answer to your question is &qu= ot;The Logical Language Group, Inc.".

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Muhammad N= ael <muhamm= ad.nael@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't help much here; but here's what I have. While I wholehearte= dly agree with your general terms, I believe that revamping the language fi= rst before taking such big steps should be a priority... Arabic lived for m= ore than 500 years as a poetry (and day-to-day) language with its people be= fore it became the language of science for centuries more (after al-Qur'= ;an of course)... My point is, we should take this a transitional stage tow= ards a more sophisticated, easier to use and more=A0culturally=A0neutral la= nguage... I still don't like that Lojban only used six base languages; = I'd rather it be 100% a priori language...
Good day and good luck,
MN

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