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However a language can be defined in terms of itself with the addition of
some real-world knowledge, or almost entirely in terms of itself.

I would like to see {mu'a} in the definition of {xunre} things like, "one of
the three primary colors in the additive model, the other two being {pelxu}
and {crino}", "the color of an iconic rose", "the color of blood", "a
color", {mu'a cu'i}.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Sunday 23 October 2011 13:11:31 .arpis. wrote:
> > The language is not finalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji'i} 200
> > discussion about {zo'e}).
>
> Most of that discussion is incomprehensible to me, and probably to most
> Lojbanists.
>
> > The language is not self-hosting (many definitions of words, especially
> > gismu, rely on another language, often English, to be understood)
>
> A language can never be exactly defined in terms of itself, so that's
> generally not a problem. I have no problem with "rozgu" or "djacu"
> or "lanme". I do have a problem with "jbari", as it's defined in terms of
> English "berry", which is polysemous. One definition includes strawberries
> and raspberries and blueberries but excludes tomatoes and oranges; the
> other
> does the reverse.
>
> Pierre
> --
> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
> .icu'u la ma'atman.
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However a language can be defined in terms of itself with the addition of s=
ome real-world knowledge, or almost entirely in terms of itself.<br><br>I w=
ould like to see {mu&#39;a} in the definition of {xunre} things like, &quot=
;one of the three primary colors in the additive model, the other two being=
 {pelxu} and {crino}&quot;, &quot;the color of an iconic rose&quot;, &quot;=
the color of blood&quot;, &quot;a color&quot;, {mu&#39;a cu&#39;i}.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Pierre Abba=
t <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.opt=
us.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sunday 23 October 2011 13:11:31 .arpis. wrote:<br>
&gt; The language is not finalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji&#39;i} 200<=
br>
&gt; discussion about {zo&#39;e}).<br>
<br>
</div>Most of that discussion is incomprehensible to me, and probably to mo=
st<br>
Lojbanists.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; The language is not self-hosting (many definitions of words, especiall=
y<br>
&gt; gismu, rely on another language, often English, to be understood)<br>
<br>
</div>A language can never be exactly defined in terms of itself, so that&#=
39;s<br>
generally not a problem. I have no problem with &quot;rozgu&quot; or &quot;=
djacu&quot;<br>
or &quot;lanme&quot;. I do have a problem with &quot;jbari&quot;, as it&#39=
;s defined in terms of<br>
English &quot;berry&quot;, which is polysemous. One definition includes str=
awberries<br>
and raspberries and blueberries but excludes tomatoes and oranges; the othe=
r<br>
does the reverse.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">--<br>
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi&#39;afra tu&#39;a do<br>
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga<br>
.icu&#39;u la ma&#39;atman.<br>
</font><div class=3D"im"><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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