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Message-ID: <1319423266.86720.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lojban and PR To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.212 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Hard line to draw between making up a new language and getting clear about the one we have. The history of the latter enterprise, for example, has often looked like the former, and, to a lesser extent, conversely. I suppose intention is, if not all, the major criterion. ----- Original Message ---- From: Matt Arnold To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, October 23, 2011 9:04:34 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lojban and PR jongausib, Most of the people who are centrally active in the language do not want it to become a transnational language. I, for one, see no benefit, and see a great deal of harm that would do. However, I support improving the popularity of Lojban as a hobby. A larger speaker base would lead to a lot more fun. Muhammed: Completely revamping Lojban means making a different language. They did that to Loglan, and called it Lojban. You will avoid confusing people, if you make up a word other than Lojban, and refer to your project by that name. Currently you make it sound as if you want to work with the existing language's supporters to undo their existing language, which is unlikely. -Eppcott On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 7:31 PM, .arpis. wrote: > However a language can be defined in terms of itself with the addition of > some real-world knowledge, or almost entirely in terms of itself. > > I would like to see {mu'a} in the definition of {xunre} things like, "one of > the three primary colors in the additive model, the other two being {pelxu} > and {crino}", "the color of an iconic rose", "the color of blood", "a > color", {mu'a cu'i}. > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >> On Sunday 23 October 2011 13:11:31 .arpis. wrote: >> > The language is not finalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji'i} 200 >> > discussion about {zo'e}). >> >> Most of that discussion is incomprehensible to me, and probably to most >> Lojbanists. >> >> > The language is not self-hosting (many definitions of words, especially >> > gismu, rely on another language, often English, to be understood) >> >> A language can never be exactly defined in terms of itself, so that's >> generally not a problem. I have no problem with "rozgu" or "djacu" >> or "lanme". I do have a problem with "jbari", as it's defined in terms of >> English "berry", which is polysemous. One definition includes strawberries >> and raspberries and blueberries but excludes tomatoes and oranges; the >> other >> does the reverse. >> >> Pierre >> -- >> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do >> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga >> .icu'u la ma'atman. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.