Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:61441) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RIK4z-00029e-A6; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:56:41 -0700 Received: by vcbfo14 with SMTP id fo14sf6036634vcb.16 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:56:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=x9+d4T8qHViyHpTC6jtPT5YSM3LGCFTwqIrLPjjcYp0=; b=mv8l6ORxrnNbKNXK72d6MjZ8Cs+BgXKOjxrawteZ0y42zEfrFN0Oa8pGab0ISG9HL8 8r8kDZoJodlaRxRQW81SUKuWRc+T+Xj2jsdlEgdlW6bpoay236T4aqAbtBvso9PNWwKq QKa9glRK3lJTcuXgPvjq1YiY5xxgWg64Bsi50= Received: by 10.220.150.17 with SMTP id w17mr1859699vcv.53.1319460988314; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.24.1 with SMTP id t1ls3997659vcb.4.canary; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.193.202 with SMTP id dv10mr131681vcb.4.1319460987667; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 05:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Muhammad Nael Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <12044470.729.1319460986934.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbza28> In-Reply-To: <1319423266.86720.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> <17558590.1835.1319383267925.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> <201110231635.52021.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1319423266.86720.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lojban and PR MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: muhammad.nael@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of muhammad.nael@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=muhammad.nael@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_728_8264047.1319460986933" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_728_8264047.1319460986933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Matt: The word 'Lojban' has a meaning in the language itself... As I've given my opinion that even the word list should be redone, I make it clear that I did not mean that Lojban should be changed forever with the current version buried... I meant that it should be used as a 'template' for a third version of the logical language... It took about 30 years to make Loglan, another 15 to get the final face of Lojban we see today *built* upon Loglan... And I imagine it would take 5 years to make LoCCan-3 or whatever it could be... --- Clifford: > Hard line to draw between making up a new language and getting clear about > the > one we have. The history of the latter enterprise, for example, has often > looked like the former, and, to a lesser extent, conversely. I suppose > intention is, if not all, the major criterion. I needed 2 reads to get this! And I could understand Bilbo easily, no offence. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/5ThYTTY7w4EJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_728_8264047.1319460986933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt:

 The word 'Lojban' has a meaning in the language it= self... As I've given my opinion that even the word list should be redone, = I make it clear that I did not mean that Lojban should be changed forever w= ith the current version buried... I meant that it should be used as a 'temp= late' for a third version of the logical language... It took about 30 years= to make Loglan, another 15 to get the final face of Lojban we see today built upon Loglan... And I imagine it would take 5 years to make = LoCCan-3 or whatever it could be...
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Hard line to draw between making up a new language and getting clear ab= out the 
one we have.  The history of the latter enterprise, for example, h= as often 
looked like the former, and, to a lesser extent, conversely. &n= bsp;I suppose 
intention is, if not all, the major criterion.
 
 I needed 2 reads to get this! And I cou= ld understand Bilbo easily, no offence.

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