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You're being unreasonably optimistic if you think it will only take 5 years
for a new language based on lojban to get anywhere.

First of all, many people will not move (relearning vocabulary is hard and
takes lots of time for little benefit).
Second of all, the value of a new vocabulary is, in my eyes (many jbopre
probably agree with me) minimal.
Third of all, you'll have a hard time convincing many people that going
through the growing pains of another language is so worth it that it
eclipses the small inconvenient idiosyncrasies of lojban.
Fourth of all, there are still questions that lojban hasn't answered that
need to be answered, like the precise meaning of {ma kau} and whether or not
it's valid outside of a {du'u}.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Muhammad Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>wrote:

> Matt:
>
>  The word 'Lojban' has a meaning in the language itself... As I've given my
> opinion that even the word list should be redone, I make it clear that I did
> not mean that Lojban should be changed forever with the current version
> buried... I meant that it should be used as a 'template' for a third version
> of the logical language... It took about 30 years to make Loglan, another 15
> to get the final face of Lojban we see today *built* upon Loglan... And I
> imagine it would take 5 years to make LoCCan-3 or whatever it could be...
> ---
> Clifford:
>
>> Hard line to draw between making up a new language and getting clear about
>> the
>> one we have.  The history of the latter enterprise, for example, has
>> often
>> looked like the former, and, to a lesser extent, conversely.  I suppose
>> intention is, if not all, the major criterion.
>
>
>  I needed 2 reads to get this! And I could understand Bilbo easily, no
> offence.
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You&#39;re being unreasonably optimistic if you think it will only take 5 y=
ears for a new language based on lojban to get anywhere.<br><br>First of al=
l, many people will not move (relearning vocabulary is hard and takes lots =
of time for little benefit).<br>
Second of all, the value of a new vocabulary is, in my eyes (many jbopre pr=
obably agree with me) minimal.<br>Third of all, you&#39;ll have a hard time=
 convincing many people that going through the growing pains of another lan=
guage is so worth it that it eclipses the small inconvenient idiosyncrasies=
 of lojban.<br>
Fourth of all, there are still questions that lojban hasn&#39;t answered th=
at need to be answered, like the precise meaning of {ma kau} and whether or=
 not it&#39;s valid outside of a {du&#39;u}.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Muhammad Nael <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:muhammad.nael@gmail.com">muhammad.nael@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Matt:<div><br><div>=A0The word &#39;Lojban&#39; has a meaning in the langua=
ge itself... As I&#39;ve given my opinion that even the word list should be=
 redone, I make it clear that I did not mean that Lojban should be changed =
forever with the current version buried... I meant that it should be used a=
s a &#39;template&#39; for a third version of the logical language... It to=
ok about 30 years to make Loglan, another 15 to get the final face of Lojba=
n we see today <i>built</i>=A0upon Loglan... And I imagine it would take 5 =
years to make LoCCan-3 or whatever it could be...</div>
<div>---</div><div>Clifford:</div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margi=
n-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);bor=
der-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hard line to draw between making up a new language and getting clear about =
the=A0<br><span style=3D"text-align:left">one we have. =A0The history of th=
e latter enterprise, for example, has often=A0<br></span><span style=3D"tex=
t-align:left">looked like the former, and, to a lesser extent, conversely. =
=A0I suppose=A0<br>
</span><span style=3D"text-align:left">intention is, if not all, the major =
criterion.</span></blockquote><div>=A0</div></div><div>=A0I needed 2 reads =
to get this! And I could understand Bilbo easily, no offence.</div></div><d=
iv class=3D"im">


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