Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:55868) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RIKhu-0003DA-Ka; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:53 -0700 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf5678184vws.16 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VRKmy24QTX/2uuawHY0vnhxgAKjUgxL99Swz7sTtCrw=; b=7GO4lVWpDWRXOYsb4aIWSOgQpAK7lg1vVMZ/fAvcCajVOkQOxEfed8CpI39gMHk33S VR0rk3ViubKQdgkTNMSNMSWIORe4gQW2MxMpIMfpwV/HiqzeT5Pa0NpyxSp5T8O1eJ64 dtAf1cNedc2WXwSnkDbTr/SBzHLHoVoG7CypQ= Received: by 10.220.7.11 with SMTP id b11mr1901783vcb.32.1319463401271; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.28.171 with SMTP id c11ls10221128vdh.1.gmail; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.170.198 with SMTP id p46mr19322694yhl.8.1319463400745; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.170.198 with SMTP id p46mr19322693yhl.8.1319463400732; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f47.google.com (mail-yw0-f47.google.com [209.85.213.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n75si7090014yhe.3.2011.10.24.06.36.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.47; Received: by mail-yw0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 9so4088852ywf.34 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.174.105 with SMTP id w69mr34415600yhl.32.1319463400607; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.103.5 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.103.5 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12771495.560.1319462797316.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> References: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> <17558590.1835.1319383267925.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> <201110231635.52021.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1319423266.86720.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12044470.729.1319460986934.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbza28> <12771495.560.1319462797316.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:36:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lojban and PR From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303f6700498eb904b00b83e5 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf303f6700498eb904b00b83e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is it just me, or does "making a better lojban" come up every 6 months or so? Not to derail your thread/enthusiasm NH, but I swear to god, if we had as many people learning lojban as we have trying to redesign it / design loccan, our user base would be huge On Oct 24, 2011 9:26 AM, "Muhammad Nael" wrote: > I'm being reasonably optimistic thinking it'd take *less* than 5 years to > *make *a Lojban successor... I'll have a week off in the next few days, so > I won't debate the new-vocab issue now... > I never said that current users should switch, only that they should work > on a better platform for possible near-future adherents. > I study linguistics as a hobby, but I can't agree or disagree with the > specific issue you cited. In any case, Lojban-2, Loccan-3, Loghnat,... etc > should be built in a pyramid model taking into account all the points ye > have raised countless times in which I've no doubt; ie. there should be > simpler 'layers' of the same language that wouldn't need the learner to know > the language perfectly before he can use it minimally! > I may not have made my point very clear; I apologize but I'm very busy > today. > > Regards, > MN > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/jZGKrMwjkSoJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Not to derail your thread/enthusiasm NH, but I swear to god, if we had a= s many people learning lojban as we have trying to redesign it / design loc= can, our user base would be huge

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