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[87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y10sm40458771wbm.14.2011.10.24.11.22.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EA5ACD4.4030106@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:22:12 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <20111021141620.GD28229@gonzales> <1319211982.72395.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111021190055.GF28229@gonzales> <4E25E755-2FF6-4BDB-A5A4-5252845E0992@yahoo.com> <20111022030801.GG28229@gonzales> <1319308068.11247.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111023203658.GH28229@gonzales> <1319404501.57946.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111023213304.GA3230@gonzales> <20111024151402.GA3062@gonzales> In-Reply-To: <20111024151402.GA3062@gonzales> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Martin Bays, On 24/10/2011 16:14: > * Sunday, 2011-10-23 at 18:57 -0400 - John E. Clifford: >> On kinds, my position is just that kinds (if you want to use that >> word) are just biggest bunches viewed in certain ways and so call for >> nothing other than things of the ordinary sort. > > I seem to be in agreement. But I guess no-one else is, so far. I don't think me and xorxes disagree with you and John. If there is disagre= ement, it is over how many are in the biggest bunches. You, I gather, would= say that there is only one possible cardinality for the biggest bunch of b= roda, whereas xorxes and I would say that the universe, or universe of disc= ourse, can be understood in infinitely many different ways, such that acros= s these different ways the cardinality for the biggest bunch of broda varie= s from one to infinity. I think xorxes and me would also say that this hold= s also of referents of {la}, and also pronouns like {mi, do}, and that thes= e biggest bunches are treated like individuals. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.