Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:33259) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RIPPI-0005qw-6Q; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:38:12 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf8738394bka.16 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qs0QcuFkPVo3TU7WmV90XsEmcdrPoeOYW4A7isOzaow=; b=PZmjibuH0FUiClDgKjv2KMOT/F0UGiqDjvAqz+N6okGCGGTbvQCmylGfIt1J5xPYeb KWiX9QEx4H8lamIHcpEQPLQ7pS/hV9Ecbg8bi4Ky29qqCegUPCHm/bTM8StTd14eJo/a fkp6B/RolnrQQnLODb5suPa2xEAGhQS3+qYu8= Received: by 10.223.62.84 with SMTP id w20mr7563096fah.10.1319481416480; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.119.129 with SMTP id n1ls1865003eeh.5.gmail; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.30.198 with SMTP id k48mr270121wea.1.1319481415079; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.30.198 with SMTP id k48mr270120wea.1.1319481415061; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f178.google.com (mail-wy0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17si5404578wbo.1.2011.10.24.11.36.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.178; Received: by wyf28 with SMTP id 28so6748226wyf.9 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.210.216 with SMTP id u66mr2499681weo.45.1319481414844; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.75] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff6sm9947407wbb.10.2011.10.24.11.36.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EA5B044.8030404@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:36:52 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <4E98D899.7080608@gmail.com> <20111015200404.GB3090@gonzales> <4E9A39C9.3010605@gmail.com> <20111016050503.GA21114@gonzales> <20111016171146.GB21114@gonzales> <4E9B7960.5070006@gmail.com> <20111018033124.GA30548@gonzales> <4E9E3C5F.2000606@gmail.com> <20111019043005.GC5069@gonzales> <4E9F24CB.2000901@gmail.com> <20111019205250.GE5010@gonzales> In-Reply-To: <20111019205250.GE5010@gonzales> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / Martin Bays, On 19/10/2011 21:52: > * Wednesday, 2011-10-19 at 20:28 +0100 - And Rosta: >>>> I don't know how sclerotic my thinking is, but I'm thinking "the >>>> lions" is {lo co'e voi cinfo} (or maybe also your {loi co'e voi >>>> cinfo}) and "le broda" is "lo co'e voi broda" (and "lei broda" "lei >>>> co'e voi broda"). >>> >>> So just adding non-veridiciality? >> >> adding nonveridicality with voi, and specificity with co'e. > > How does {co'e} give specificity, sorry? The value of co'e is such that {lo co'e} points exclusively to the specific referent. E.g. suppose by {le cinfo} I refer to Marine Sergeant Shamar Thomas, it means {lo co'e voi cinfo}, where the value of co'e is "is Marine Sergeant Shamar Thomas". --And. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.