Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:63368) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RISeG-0007LA-HE; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:44 -0700 Received: by wwg7 with SMTP id 7sf13245485wwg.16 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ejIy1YpWDwam2/tIuvkemy8zJ1WRAZwdYBclHMx2izs=; b=a3x/qX5cT4UzqmOngM4cTeuYTK6fidgaTYce0o8+ybQbMpZvu8g7rx1CCG+uVLMjbU 7WF5ZHkNr1soWd5n3fB8FtTSmymMWPpgyXPrMts+aUPWIVZM7YQIejS2udnUXCjM9906 vIUJs9XaRbyiqZeGsSaQ6o45ieBld3FSf6X1A= Received: by 10.216.23.73 with SMTP id u51mr3589316weu.27.1319493926392; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.95.198 with SMTP id p46ls888791eef.3.canary; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.25.217 with SMTP id a25mr47142ebc.1.1319493923521; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.25.217 with SMTP id a25mr47141ebc.1.1319493923494; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f22si22714faf.0.2011.10.24.15.05.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.54; Received: by mail-fx0-f54.google.com with SMTP id r19so168853faa.13 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.63.206 with SMTP id c14mr46154416fai.7.1319493923338; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.165 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:05:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111024151402.GA3062@gonzales> References: <20111021141620.GD28229@gonzales> <1319211982.72395.YahooMailRC@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111021190055.GF28229@gonzales> <4E25E755-2FF6-4BDB-A5A4-5252845E0992@yahoo.com> <20111022030801.GG28229@gonzales> <1319308068.11247.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111023203658.GH28229@gonzales> <1319404501.57946.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111023213304.GA3230@gonzales> <20111024151402.GA3062@gonzales> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:05:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > The issue was simply whether, in {lo vofli cipnralbatrossa cu xajmi}, we > have > (a) a bunch of things, which is at some time a bunch of flying > albatrosses > or (b) a bunch of things each of which are at some time flying > albatrosses. I thought you also mentioned (c) a bunch of things such that at some time for all of them, each of them is a flying albatross. But if you are going to introduce time in a sentence that doesn't necessarily bring it up, shouldn't you also consider space? (d) a bunch of things which is at some point in space a bunch of flying albatrosses (e) a bunch of things each of which is a flying albatross at some point in space (f) a bunch of things such that at some point in space each of them is a flying albatross Arguably nothing could be an albatross at a single point in space, but by the same token nothing could be flying at a single point in time. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.