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Well, it would depend on the facts on the ground and what I wanted to say a=
bout it/them.
I suspect that, like plural reference and L-sets, there fairly simple inter=
 translations between our two stories. This is clear in the case of general=
izations (as they are generally called), but the situation with nonce group=
s/ kinds is less clear: is there a permanent kind for every possible subjec=
t, some manifestations of which engage in a single, or are new kinds create=
d to fit each situation, with all of their manifestations involved?  Socrat=
es was warned not to reject the notion that shit had a form, so is flying a=
lbatrosses with two haddocks in their throats a kind, and, if so, a permane=
nt one or a nonce?

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> Quite. This is the sort of thing we should be free to disagree on.
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> What about the situation where every day there is exactly one lion in my =
garden? Would you allow descriptions like "my daily lion" or "the lion in m=
y garden" - singular lion?
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>> If you can only count up to one lion, I am not going lion hunting with y=
ou.  The chances of being seriously outnumbered (in some, to you perverse, =
way) are too great.  I say that, if there is a lion on the left and one on =
the right, there are two lions, not one, and it's going to take at least tw=
o bullets to get rid of them.
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 21:07, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
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<html><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Well, it would depend on the facts on =
the ground and what I wanted to say about it/them.</div><div>I suspect that=
, like plural reference and L-sets, there fairly simple inter translations =
between our two stories. This is clear in the case of generalizations (as t=
hey are generally called), but the situation with nonce groups/ kinds is le=
ss clear: is there a permanent kind for every possible subject, some manife=
stations of which engage in a single, or are new kinds created to fit each =
situation, with all of their manifestations involved? &nbsp;Socrates was wa=
rned not to reject the notion that shit had a form, so is flying albatrosse=
s with two haddocks in their throats a kind, and, if so, a permanent one or=
 a nonce?</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 25, 2011, at=
 10:35, And Rosta &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:and.rosta@gmail.com">and.rosta@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
><p>Quite. This is the sort of thing we should be free to disagree on.</p>
<p>What about the situation where every day there is exactly one lion in my=
 garden? Would you allow descriptions like "my daily lion" or "the lion in =
my garden" - singular lion? </p>
<p></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 25 Oct 2011 13:50, "John E. Clifford" &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yahoo.com"><a href=3D"mailto:kali9putra@yah=
oo.com">kali9putra@yahoo.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>If you can only coun=
t up to one lion, I am not going lion hunting with you. &nbsp;The chances o=
f being seriously outnumbered (in some, to you perverse, way) are too great=
. &nbsp;I say that, if there is a lion on the left and one on the right, th=
ere are two lions, not one, and it's going to take at least two bullets to =
get rid of them.<br>

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and.rosta@gmail.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Martin Bays, On 25/10/20=
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