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The problem with jbari is worth discussing.
Either we need to change the definition of e.g. "grute" (which may be is 
against the rule)
or make those two gismu obsolete in favor of newly created gismu that 
combines the meanings of the two.

So it's not replacing Lojban but replacing part of it's vocabularly

On Monday, October 24, 2011 12:35:49 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Sunday 23 October 2011 13:11:31 .arpis. wrote:
> > The language is not finalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji'i} 200
> > discussion about {zo'e}).
>
> Most of that discussion is incomprehensible to me, and probably to most 
> Lojbanists.
>
> > The language is not self-hosting (many definitions of words, especially
> > gismu, rely on another language, often English, to be understood)
>
> A language can never be exactly defined in terms of itself, so that's 
> generally not a problem. I have no problem with "rozgu" or "djacu" 
> or "lanme". I do have a problem with "jbari", as it's defined in terms of 
> English "berry", which is polysemous. One definition includes strawberries 
> and raspberries and blueberries but excludes tomatoes and oranges; the 
> other 
> does the reverse.
>
> Pierre
> -- 
> .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
> .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
> .icu'u la ma'atman.
>
>

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The problem with jbari is worth discussing.<div>Either we need to change th=
e definition of e.g. "grute" (which may be is against the rule)</div><div>o=
r make those two gismu obsolete in favor of newly created gismu that combin=
es the meanings of the two.</div><div><br></div><div>So it's not replacing =
Lojban but replacing part of it's vocabularly<br><br>On Monday, October 24,=
 2011 12:35:49 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddin=
g-left: 1ex;">On Sunday 23 October 2011 13:11:31 .arpis. wrote:<br>&gt; The=
 language is not finalized yet (as evidenced by the {ji'i} 200<br>&gt; disc=
ussion about {zo'e}).<p>Most of that discussion is incomprehensible to me, =
and probably to most <br>Lojbanists.</p><p>&gt; The language is not self-ho=
sting (many definitions of words, especially<br>&gt; gismu, rely on another=
 language, often English, to be understood)</p><p>A language can never be e=
xactly defined in terms of itself, so that's <br>generally not a problem. I=
 have no problem with "rozgu" or "djacu" <br>or "lanme". I do have a proble=
m with "jbari", as it's defined in terms of <br>English "berry", which is p=
olysemous. One definition includes strawberries <br>and raspberries and blu=
eberries but excludes tomatoes and oranges; the other <br>does the reverse.=
</p><p>Pierre<br>-- <br>.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do<br>.ibabo dam=
ba do .ibabo do jinga<br>.icu'u la ma'atman.<br></p><p></p><p></p><p></p></=
blockquote></div>

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