Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:40343) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RInWW-000863-7S; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:23:05 -0700 Received: by faap16 with SMTP id p16sf1174839faa.16 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=spjlSUYN0zPGqRrEpvfUR4rTQ+UCCb1rG6eqs8HpJOk=; b=Pv4t8BAjdXmMIvE04qVcKDq1GnSze5/k76ftMuYJVUVXuZgEWJ/QgRqGvAA2GBCd+V DVU29X6Q9itRu4prZVpjJr8PeZMy7a2vzSY4rS8rMB1n0D1B5rKK2l/qjp8fAoLC61lh xukjalpM0Z80qGrDPVJy7qGp92zMeD6MQCpX8= Received: by 10.223.77.83 with SMTP id f19mr4006966fak.3.1319574170296; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.65.196 with SMTP id xn4ls1359826bkb.3.gmail; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.136.216 with SMTP id s24mr4022901bkt.5.1319574168821; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.136.216 with SMTP id s24mr4022900bkt.5.1319574168797; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com (mail-bw0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a16si4443842bku.3.2011.10.25.13.22.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.41; Received: by mail-bw0-f41.google.com with SMTP id zu5so379619bkb.14 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.149.144 with SMTP id t16mr10434771bkv.72.1319574168482; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.35.199 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> <17558590.1835.1319383267925.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> <201110231635.52021.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1319423266.86720.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12044470.729.1319460986934.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbza28> <12771495.560.1319462797316.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:22:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lojban and PR From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cbad49135e804b0254d45 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175cbad49135e804b0254d45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ma'upa On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Is it just me, or does "making a better lojban" come up every 6 months or > so? > > Not to derail your thread/enthusiasm NH, but I swear to god, if we had as > many people learning lojban as we have trying to redesign it / design > loccan, our user base would be huge > On Oct 24, 2011 9:26 AM, "Muhammad Nael" > wrote: > >> I'm being reasonably optimistic thinking it'd take *less* than 5 years to >> *make *a Lojban successor... I'll have a week off in the next few days, >> so I won't debate the new-vocab issue now... >> I never said that current users should switch, only that they should work >> on a better platform for possible near-future adherents. >> I study linguistics as a hobby, but I can't agree or disagree with the >> specific issue you cited. In any case, Lojban-2, Loccan-3, Loghnat,... etc >> should be built in a pyramid model taking into account all the points ye >> have raised countless times in which I've no doubt; ie. there should be >> simpler 'layers' of the same language that wouldn't need the learner to know >> the language perfectly before he can use it minimally! >> I may not have made my point very clear; I apologize but I'm very busy >> today. >> >> Regards, >> MN >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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ma'upa

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:

Is it just me, or does "making a better lojban" come up every = 6 months or so?

Not to derail your thread/enthusiasm NH, but I swear to god, if we had a= s many people learning lojban as we have trying to redesign it / design loc= can, our user base would be huge

On Oct 24, 2011 9:26 AM, "Muhammad Nael&quo= t; <muhamma= d.nael@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm being reasonably optimis= tic thinking it'd take less=A0than 5 years to make a Lojb= an successor... I'll have a week off in the next few days, so I won'= ;t debate the new-vocab issue now...=20
I never said that current users should switch, only that they should w= ork on a better platform for possible near-future adherents.
I study=A0linguistics=A0as a hobby, but I can't agree or disagree = with the specific issue you cited. In any case, Lojban-2, Loccan-3, Loghnat= ,... etc should be built in a pyramid model taking into account all the poi= nts ye have raised countless times in which I've no doubt; ie. there sh= ould be simpler 'layers' of the same language that wouldn't nee= d the learner to know the language perfectly before he can use it minimally= !
I may not have made my point very clear; I apologize but I'm very = busy today.

Regards,
MN

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