"Most of the people who are centrally active in the language do not
want it to become a transnational language. I, for one, see no
benefit, and see a great deal of harm that would do."

ok, I don't ag= ree since I only see advantages with a global language. Not everyone like t= he fact that english is the dominant language in the world. I think that a = lot of people in the world associate english with the language of their opp= ressors (or at least something negative), not the language of the global ci= vic society.

Also, the english grammar is very unlo= gical and I myself feel very uncomfortable expressing things in english, si= nce it often doesn't sounds quite right what I'm writing or = saying, even if it may be logical and comprehensible.

Anyway, I think it's ok to have differ= ent opinions about this. The lojban community has the language as the commo= n platform, and should avoid to make decisions about other things like the = socio-cultural usages of the language or political agendas. But that doesn&= #39;t hinder individual jbopli like myself to view lojban as a potential tr= ansnational language.

I agree with Pierre Abbat that some of the= discussions here are=20 incomprehensible (hey I don't even speak english as my native language = as you probably can see).

But if we'= ;re going to improve the language, I still insist that we have to be more o= rganized. Who will remember what has been said in this forum 6 months ago? = I think it would be better to have different projects clearly listed on the= lojban web site: grammatical-logical projects, projects to make templates = for constructing new name of species, terminology in different scientific f= ields, metaphysical concepts (philosophy, religion, new age etc), definitio= ns of colors etc etc. And to specify how many persons is engaged in each pr= oject, the current status and so on. That would be really nice!

2011/10/25 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.= com>

ma'upa

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Is it just me, or does "making a better lojban" come up every = 6 months or so?

Not to derail your thread/enthusiasm NH, but I swear to god, if we had a= s many people learning lojban as we have trying to redesign it / design loc= can, our user base would be huge

On Oct 24, 2011 9:26 AM, "Muhammad Nael&quo= t; <muhamma= d.nael@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm being rea= sonably optimistic thinking it'd take less=A0than 5 years to = make a Lojban successor... I'll have a week off in the next few day= s, so I won't debate the new-vocab issue now...=20
I never said that current users should switch, only that they should w= ork on a better platform for possible near-future adherents.

I study=A0linguistics=A0as a hobby, but I can't agree or disagree = with the specific issue you cited. In any case, Lojban-2, Loccan-3, Loghnat= ,... etc should be built in a pyramid model taking into account all the poi= nts ye have raised countless times in which I've no doubt; ie. there sh= ould be simpler 'layers' of the same language that wouldn't nee= d the learner to know the language perfectly before he can use it minimally= !

I may not have made my point very clear; I apologize but I'm very = busy today.

Regards,

MN

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