Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:51881) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RJMqb-00086e-K5; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:06:06 -0700 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30sf3141128qyk.16 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:05:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DvsfvI7laiRVOAPZpPrvPZk8tQ7bZFwn9nOlQ0sM6H0=; b=OF9CzAUsH3TmHT6wg9MM81DpeL6SQtgB72EH9rEowxSspPCtgW5ImIkKroLB4wIXea veJ8UTV4vXjTdMCsLj5fkqOz5ZnVSOlg1iw5FufJx0LyLZpcHpbSWos2d3/P5XMW5MgZ muZVbSOO4FrTMRIOEk+LJ5Zfn0re3BZZkcO6Q= Received: by 10.229.214.143 with SMTP id ha15mr726184qcb.21.1319709944830; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.117.197 with SMTP id s5ls2919811qcq.3.gmail; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:05:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.87.205 with SMTP id x13mr1523603qcl.7.1319709936404; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by q13g2000vbd.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:05:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <9080d508-6c45-431d-91f5-cc2cdae68ae1@q13g2000vbd.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] skari From: jongausib To: lojban X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / coi .arpis suggests in another thread that the definitions of colors could be better: {xunre} things like, "one of the three primary colors in the additive model, the other two being {pelxu} and {crino}", "the color of an iconic rose", "the color of blood", "a color", I think it would be good to have exact definitions of the colors, for unambiguity. So something like: {xunre} x1 is red [color adjective] in color system x2 [default RGB #FF0000/ CMYK (0, 100, 100, 0)]. Almost every color adjective gismu could easily be defined this way: crino green (lime) #00FF00 (100, 0, 100, 0) pelxu yellow #FFFF00 (0, 0, 100, 0) narju orange #FFA500 (0, 35,3, 100, 0) xunre red #FF0000 (0, 100, 100, 0) nukni magenta #FF00FF (0, 100, 0, 0) zirpu purple/violet ? not clear! ? blanu blue #0000FF (100, 100, 0, 0) cicna cyan #00FFFF (100, 0, 0, 0) blabi white #FFFFFF (0, 0, 0, 0) grusi gray #808080 (0, 0, 0, 50) xekri black #000000 (0, 0, 0, 100 =E2=80=A0) bunre brown (150, 75, 0) not clear! (0, 50, 100, 41) Compund colors are a bit more tricky. If you say {blari'o} - you probably mean a bluish-type of green (more green than blue), and {ri'obla} probably means a greenish-type of blue (more blue than green). Since these words are lujvo, and not tanru, we'll need exact definitions for them as well. None of them are right between blue and green, that would be cicna (cyan). So how should you interpret these words? I suggest that blari'o means exactly between cicna and crino, and that ri'obla means exactly between cicna and blanu. So for consistency, ri'orcicna (more cyan than green) is 25% of the color range between cyan and green, and cicnyri'o (more green than cyan) means 75% on the same scale. 50 % on the same scale is {ri'obla} as mentioned above. I think this color model could be useful. The color adjective gismu has the same hue value distance between each of them, except that zirpu is synonymous to xunbla according to this modell (and therefore is superfluous as a gismu) and that there unfortunately is a gismu missing between crino and pelxu. Brown is more of a vague, intuitive definition in the range between yellow and red. And the current definitions for pink and rose are false, since those colors isn't just a mixture between red and white, but also some magenta. I think that most people will use the gismu colors and perhaps some of the "first-order"-lujvo colors, and designers and other graphic professionals would have usage for more complex lujvo-colors with exact definitions. Or using tanru with more vague definitions, like sfe'ero xunre (falur=C3=B6d) or crino joi pelxu nukni (whatever that means?). mu'o mi'e jongausib --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.