Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:50313) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RJdq0-0007PW-8I; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:45 -0700 Received: by qadb10 with SMTP id b10sf3822430qad.16 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=JkmEvA2KSH6H8scQTM1z4GS1TWy48e0sPQsyfql4eMQ=; b=jccP7qr96cqotjvbR4nt29mTWQHxPqED5Qbu3OmTZuFYTh7Hg+6PHR6Co+aeVZe94n Wh1EIhZLsKRpew4jR46PQBfrJ4dPDYbyFuo7AXNVCUXwWOYTuubwZ9lkcza4VXhbh4MZ oJm7khSFcVcrFHTMXZnn2y5M7ft5xM7y/leRw= Received: by 10.229.47.193 with SMTP id o1mr45236qcf.19.1319775267232; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.188.6 with SMTP id cy6ls4775962qab.6.gmail; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.116.69 with SMTP id l5mr1589394qaq.7.1319775266754; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.116.69 with SMTP id l5mr1589392qaq.7.1319775266736; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c23si5298426qci.0.2011.10.27.21.14.26; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=kKYgWXE3sh1YR5bbiI52Wh2ufSH3Ycy8lZKH6NqBFC8= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=EuEBRCvNdOwA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=7nRwEeIPgebgT0Yn3k8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:37571] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4F/5B-16221-22C2AAE4; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 04:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C8415F99 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] SAE was lojban and PR Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:14:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> <201110272147.40081.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1319768632.56314.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1319768632.56314.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201110280014.16807.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thursday 27 October 2011 22:23:52 John E Clifford wrote: > Errh. The Wikipedia page for what, exactly? That is, what is the list > for? Surely not SAE, since many such languages lack properties here checked > and have those left unchecked (I take 'x' as a "no"). Are the checks for > Lojban? And what do these things mean (especially "A, B, and C")? > Morphosyntactic alignment? I just see the relevance here. Look at Whorf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Average_European "A, B, and C" is contrasted with "A and B and C", which is the construction in Lojban. SAE languages have most of these properties, but not necessarily all. English lacks the dative external possessor, but both French and Spanish have it (including when the possessor is the same as the subject, e.g. "je me lave les mains"). English also, unlike German, French, and Spanish, uses the reflexive also as an intensifier. Pierre -- The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.