Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:40899) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RK9OO-0004Ez-GP; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:21 -0700 Received: by bke11 with SMTP id 11sf1342771bke.16 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LbkGcNrb61eSmoOkIPmwH4gYlpIHEWEnXkwBlIkX09w=; b=xu8vp9XM/DKaPTuf9gP6Oz4jF4HYRm8gO5AntqDEb7uMj5831m66o6cjtvm59xKnL9 NruRt66DHSBJUXKqznUq+Em1JZvnCmW9o6DuAU+q7YwYJBmizH7Gb0MMR2HaKEKlNRsf hYa1PH4MOl1cIhuRPB7+yanegivZvnYsyFqhA= Received: by 10.204.156.215 with SMTP id y23mr617939bkw.33.1319896561420; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.80.78 with SMTP id zt14ls8822523bkb.1.gmail; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.193 with SMTP id c1mr272673bkt.4.1319896560272; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.193 with SMTP id c1mr272670bkt.4.1319896560255; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com (mail-fx0-f41.google.com [209.85.161.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17si2985522fai.0.2011.10.29.06.56.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.41; Received: by faat2 with SMTP id t2so5062183faa.28 for ; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.1.12 with SMTP id 12mr5048019fad.32.1319896560062; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.165 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:55:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111029001437.GA5535@gonzales> References: <4EA5ACD4.4030106@gmail.com> <20111024184651.GC3062@gonzales> <4EA5F890.6070501@gmail.com> <20111025002558.GA27114@gonzales> <4EA60BBC.1040707@gmail.com> <20111025021504.GB27114@gonzales> <4EA68224.1080406@gmail.com> <20111026033114.GB3119@gonzales> <4EA7BF06.5050103@gmail.com> <4EAA8AC9.2010000@gmail.com> <20111029001437.GA5535@gonzales> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:55:59 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > But really, it seems that we are literally disagreeing on the meaning of > {cinfo} - whether it means "is a lion", or "is Lion", or is ambiguous > between the two. So wouldn't the most natural and lojbanic solution be > to decide on one of the two as the meaning of {cinfo}, and have > a tanru/lujvo ({cinfo pavrolza'i} or {cinfo dacti}, perhaps) for the > other? But wouldn't that just shift the whole discussion from "cinfo" to "dacti"? ~ Another Evolutionary Tale ~ One day, Mamma Human was with her two children, Moople and Cless, when they saw Lion in the distance. Moople and Cless had never seen Lion before and wanted to go and play with him, but Mamma Human told them Lion was dangerous and they should never go anywhere close to him. The next day, while Momma Human was away collecting fruit, Cless saw something approaching and said "Hey Moople, there's Lion again, let's get out of here! (*)" But Moople laughed and said "No silly, that's not Lion. I saw that Lion had a mole on his forehead, and that one has no mole. I'm going to play with him." Guess who grew up to have descendants... And now in Lojban: ca lo djedi lo mamta remna cu kansa lo re panzi be ri be'o no'u la .mupl. jo'u la .kles. .i ca bo viska lo cinfo noi darno .i la .mupl. jo'u la .kles. no roi pu viska lo cinfo gi'e djica lo nu klama ri gi'e kelci .i ku'i lo mamta remna cu jungau ra lo du'u lo cinfo cu ckape .e lo du'u .ei no roi klama lo jibni be ri .i ca lo bavlamdei ca lo nu lo mamta remna vu crepu lo grute kei la .kles. cu viska da noi ca'o jbibi'o gi'e cusku lu ju'i .mupl. lo cinfo za'u re'u zvati .i .e'u mi'o cliva li'u .i ku'i la .mupl. cu cmila gi'e cusku lu doi bebna tu na cinfo .i mi pu viska lo nu lo pilba'a cu jadni lo sedycra be lo cinfo .i tu na se pliba'a .i .ai mi ba klama tu gi'e kelci li'u .i ko smadi lo du'u ma kau ma'urbi'o gi'e se panzi ... (*) I read somewhere that "let's get out of here" is the most common line in movies ever, but I suspect it may be just a myth. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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