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John E. Clifford, On 30/10/2011 18:38:
> Whatever else it does ( and I confess to not following most of the
> subsequent discussion), xorxes' story raises one of the great
> problems for the Aristotelian wing: how do we get to generalizations
> from limited instances? Children who have seen only chihuahuas,
> somehow recognize terriers and spaniels as dogs, for example. Xorxes
> suggests the Platonic answer: we are directly aware of the kind when
> we see the instance (well, some of us, anyhow).

Is that Xorxes's answer? I'd have thought his answer is rather that people =
strive to form inductive generalizations, as in fact is abundantly attested=
 by child language, e.g. the child that calls the moon 'ball', or (as my so=
n did) an overhead lamp 'moon'.

> I don't think that is a very good answer, but the attempts to find
> psychological mechanism to explain how we do it so well are not much
> better. But I still don't see why kinds (etc.) are needed for Lojban
> semantics or just explaining what Lojban expressions do nor why, if
> they are needed, maximal bunches of the appropriate sort won't do the
> trick -- at a significant ontological savings.

Is anybody actually saying kinds are needed? It seems to me that Xorxes is =
saying we need just one sort of thing, call them Foobles, and Martin is say=
ing that Foobles should be subdivided into Snargles and Kinds, and that Kin=
ds are unnecessary. Thus Xorxes is not so much advocating Kinds as not acce=
pting Martin's Snargle--Kind distinction.

--And.

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