Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:41842) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKb9m-0002ff-Uz; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:35:06 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf1093396wye.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wNJpEJeNOdeUyy3x/NBHfeVRjGUq8oWwN2bCiloQONY=; b=ormW4pCa0HswJ7yBr1adgKxk7Q1fEBCqc0wa+IAHQ+W1ZFU1knQYeXv2vYC0ZtvQRR lRDBEulYOMrT31CApdkq1Su6IM+UQUDbc7378X+LD1fg9Uh4wscW3wyKfcr4NVzKPl3A f0qC7q6ohk6TpGbmUR/ZlJytC/uzpzuOg236U= Received: by 10.216.173.2 with SMTP id u2mr266346wel.4.1320003288932; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.148.207 with SMTP id q15ls12838326wbv.5.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.203.78 with SMTP id fh14mr985973wbb.2.1320003287895; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.203.78 with SMTP id fh14mr985972wbb.2.1320003287873; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k17si8419465wbo.1.2011.10.30.12.34.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.172; Received: by mail-wy0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 30so561841wyg.31 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.221.34 with SMTP id q34mr3356345wep.99.1320003287762; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.81] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fw16sm28271549wbb.13.2011.10.30.12.34.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EADA6D5.7070409@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:34:45 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] SAE was lojban and PR References: <4ae1bfdf-61ba-4539-84e0-0a56a67480fd@u13g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> <201110272147.40081.phma@phma.optus.nu> <1319899377.29218.YahooMailRC@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201110292356.23767.phma@phma.optus.nu> <23EF8E7A-E3D9-45FB-95E5-8DF5399A03DF@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <23EF8E7A-E3D9-45FB-95E5-8DF5399A03DF@yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / The term "SAE" is kind of ambiguous, as is half-evident from the Wikipedia = page. On the one hand it is a kind of 'metaphysics' implied by the semantic= ses of the SAE languages. On the other hand it is a sprachbund characterize= d inter alia by the features Pierre was discussing. I don't think it's a gi= ven that Lojban is SAE in either sense; it may be, but the onus is on the p= erson claiming it is to provide the evidence. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.