Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:47227) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKc3D-0003D9-Ks; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:20 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf643482bka.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vQSvIuInTYodVyxYFv6uIUpw+sFjuFlSQScIuMCohOI=; b=JstitI+t+PVeWLEsLIIgRl41wdX9gorYtz5BRG5X9v8ulTby5vq+DocJ6NBvX39u43 dYW18Y2hg8T2x14vBrjcy1jABHWRayjcnR6csW4cjVhVer0VxWGrB4PACFvUbXJKUeFL csnOCeSsg7z96xLZZyIl0QwVcjCET5OeLWQ2M= Received: by 10.204.14.7 with SMTP id e7mr957337bka.21.1320006725382; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.26.200 with SMTP id f8ls4982579bkc.0.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.116.5 with SMTP id fg5mr1411406bkc.3.1320006724159; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.116.5 with SMTP id fg5mr1411405bkc.3.1320006724148; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f51.google.com (mail-fx0-f51.google.com [209.85.161.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1si2738317fae.1.2011.10.30.13.32.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.51; Received: by faao24 with SMTP id o24so5119408faa.10 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.82 with SMTP id 18mr5731247fau.27.1320006723991; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.165 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:32:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4EADA4BC.5030406@gmail.com> References: <4EA5F890.6070501@gmail.com> <20111025002558.GA27114@gonzales> <4EA60BBC.1040707@gmail.com> <20111025021504.GB27114@gonzales> <4EA68224.1080406@gmail.com> <20111026033114.GB3119@gonzales> <4EA7BF06.5050103@gmail.com> <4EAA8AC9.2010000@gmail.com> <20111029001437.GA5535@gonzales> <20111029145956.GB9385@gonzales> <9AB5D37A-29BD-45FA-9A92-B6D0DA85956D@yahoo.com> <4EADA4BC.5030406@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:32:03 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, And Rosta wrote: > > Is anybody actually saying kinds are needed? It seems to me that Xorxes is > saying we need just one sort of thing, call them Foobles, and Martin is > saying that Foobles should be subdivided into Snargles and Kinds, and that > Kinds are unnecessary. Thus Xorxes is not so much advocating Kinds as not > accepting Martin's Snargle--Kind distinction. Right. Not that the distinction can't be made. I have no issue with the predicate "klesi" and with the predicate "mupli". I just think any such distinction is context dependent and that there isn't a fixed set of things out there divided into the two types and such that we choose from those predetermined things what to put into our domain of discourse. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.