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Well, I certainly don't think that Lojban is SAE in the Sprachbund sense; a=
s Pierre points out it has very few of the characteristic features.  On the=
 other hand, the metaphysical case seems fairly easy -- or did until Mr. Br=
oda showed up again. The whole plug and socket nature of a Lojban bridi scr=
eams it.  But now that there are other interpretations which need to be con=
sidered, I suppose we will have to wait a while. (but I still think it is a=
nd the other interpretations are just wrong.  This is not, of course, what =
JCB wanted ( and I did tell him he didn't have what he wanted), but a metap=
hysics-free language is not possible under SWH.  Nor, I think is one that t=
reats all possibilities equally easily.  We can do mass/kind pretty easily =
in Lojban, though it always seems periphrastic.  I am less sure about flux =
or sense-data languages, mainly because I really don't know how they work a=
t all ( I miss things).

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On Oct 30, 2011, at 15:34, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> The term "SAE" is kind of ambiguous, as is half-evident from the Wikipedi=
a page. On the one hand it is a kind of 'metaphysics' implied by the semant=
icses of the SAE languages. On the other hand it is a sprachbund characteri=
zed inter alia by the features Pierre was discussing. I don't think it's a =
given that Lojban is SAE in either sense; it may be, but the onus is on the=
 person claiming it is to provide the evidence.
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