Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:47388) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKcyw-00048X-Kn; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:32:01 -0700 Received: by wwg7 with SMTP id 7sf3311748wwg.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MTmHN4zC5jOaqiJZUa/jYo3xAcbozDrXPEj5Rec10e0=; b=rFxRsZyKHZTnvZDGQfq7bqJEx73mqSbGQGmwxCkgFI4LI85rVNPPk7nfO0jO1KAmcO KrOqJ1rGtfSoP+6KMVs/0AkPnOjcEkz0YSUYgGcy20cLNL0kE5xml7gJYfYMZh4DBKQ2 zKNwplc3/bngJcz45xax33Xf8TwexFzuyFIX8= Received: by 10.216.27.17 with SMTP id d17mr58502wea.2.1320010304642; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.38.21 with SMTP id z21ls13142663wbd.2.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.65 with SMTP id fl1mr891247wbb.4.1320010303855; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.204.65 with SMTP id fl1mr891246wbb.4.1320010303827; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fd1si8560362wbb.0.2011.10.30.14.31.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by wyh5 with SMTP id 5so961558wyh.34 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.167.198 with SMTP id i48mr2083521wel.72.1320010303626; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.81] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm28770938wbh.12.2011.10.30.14.31.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4EADC23C.4010905@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:31:40 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <20111029145956.GB9385@gonzales> <20111029221510.GA32586@gonzales> <20111030044700.GB32586@gonzales> <20111030151405.GC32586@gonzales> <20111030182343.GA3142@gonzales> <20111030212542.GA9317@gonzales> In-Reply-To: <20111030212542.GA9317@gonzales> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Martin Bays, On 30/10/2011 21:25: > * Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 17:17 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas: >> but surely "these lions are dangerous, don't go near them" covers both >> "lions of this kind are dangerous, don't go near them" and "these >> particular individual lions are dangerous, don't go near them". > > That's technically true, and I had forgotten about this feature (bug?) > of english... perhaps I have been giving english more disambiguating > credit than it's worth... The English can also mean "lions of these kinds" too, of course. (I mention= that just to advance the extinction of Martin's faith in English being the= language he had been wishing it to be.) --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.