Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:33303) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RKdKs-0004VH-ND; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:40 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf721790bka.16 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ydyaiTt2zAMR1P8KYKCZnUhxh2G+RctZaIBAXyqjEmg=; b=m7SnQvJW45EkqRD4s/Y/c9mipRxaBhQXpF2jODPsbub9j3mWXvKXre2XMVv+dcOzY/ D6pxOEyCGPxFIG//1GHspcjNplMYMQ9TiA/WZLpmBPEX5vm+Ju9RMZnapvI1DMuKquIl OrXngfKegWbO6uko9YZxr5pUqbFcWCUMGxB4E= Received: by 10.204.15.82 with SMTP id j18mr187568bka.26.1320011664242; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.102.78 with SMTP id f14ls4873676bko.3.gmail; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.146.17 with SMTP id f17mr1435436bkv.5.1320011663146; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.146.17 with SMTP id f17mr1435435bkv.5.1320011663130; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com (mail-fx0-f52.google.com [209.85.161.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1si2840098fae.1.2011.10.30.14.54.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.52; Received: by faan26 with SMTP id n26so8928976faa.39 for ; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.82 with SMTP id 18mr6139709fau.27.1320011662964; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.165 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:54:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4EADC23C.4010905@gmail.com> References: <20111029145956.GB9385@gonzales> <20111029221510.GA32586@gonzales> <20111030044700.GB32586@gonzales> <20111030151405.GC32586@gonzales> <20111030182343.GA3142@gonzales> <20111030212542.GA9317@gonzales> <4EADC23C.4010905@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:54:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 6:31 PM, And Rosta wrote: > Martin Bays, On 30/10/2011 21:25: >> * Sunday, 2011-10-30 at 17:17 -0300 - Jorge >> Llamb=EDas: >>> >>> but surely "these lions are dangerous, don't go near them" covers both >>> "lions of this kind are dangerous, don't go near them" and "these >>> particular individual lions are dangerous, don't go near them". >> >> That's technically true, and I had forgotten about this feature (bug?) >> of english... perhaps I have been giving english more disambiguating >> credit than it's worth... > > The English can also mean "lions of these kinds" too, of course. (I menti= on > that just to advance the extinction of Martin's faith in English being th= e > language he had been wishing it to be.) There's also the sense "these animals called lions are dangerous". But the fact that we don't have to disambiguate when it is not necessary doesn't mean we can't when we need to, so I don't think this reflects poorly on English (or Lojban). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.