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Dot-side is only concerned with cmevla which are required to have a final
".", in that those types of names must also have a leading ".", nothing
more, nothing less.

It does not require "." for cmene which would not need them in the old
school.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM, H. Felton <lojban707@fagricipni.com> wrote:

> Regarding the dot-side issue: was a consensus ever reached on
> the pro-dot-side whether cmene that contained the sequence
> "la" not preceded by a consonant, but which were not cmevla
> needed dot-side "protection"?; eg, "la labno"; "la xrula"; or
> if "la ka trina" is valid, then a name containing "la'u" should
> also be valid; finally, tanru, lujvo, and fu'ivla can also
> contain the sequence "la" not preceded by a consonant.
> I wouldn't think that these names would need dot-side
> protection; only those which are cmevla.
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Dot-side is only concerned with cmevla which are required to have a final &=
quot;.&quot;, in that those types of names must also have a leading &quot;.=
&quot;, nothing more, nothing less.<br><br>It does not require &quot;.&quot=
; for cmene which would not need them in the old school.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:18 PM, H. Felton <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban707@fagricipni.com">lojban707@=
fagricipni.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Regarding the dot-side issue: was a consensus ever reached on<br>
the pro-dot-side whether cmene that contained the sequence<br>
&quot;la&quot; not preceded by a consonant, but which were not cmevla<br>
needed dot-side &quot;protection&quot;?; eg, &quot;la labno&quot;; &quot;la=
 xrula&quot;; or<br>
if &quot;la ka trina&quot; is valid, then a name containing &quot;la&#39;u&=
quot; should<br>
also be valid; finally, tanru, lujvo, and fu&#39;ivla can also<br>
contain the sequence &quot;la&quot; not preceded by a consonant.<br>
I wouldn&#39;t think that these names would need dot-side<br>
protection; only those which are cmevla.<br>
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</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;=
e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. m=
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