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If you want the name "Katrina", it's {la.katrinas.}, not {la.katrina.}.
Also, since Lojban's stress is penultimate, you don't need to explicitly
mark {tri}.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:28 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:

> How is {la ka trina} distinguishable from {la .kaTRIna.}?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM, H. Felton <lojban707@fagricipni.com>wrote:
>
>> Regarding the dot-side issue: was a consensus ever reached on
>> the pro-dot-side whether cmene that contained the sequence
>> "la" not preceded by a consonant, but which were not cmevla
>> needed dot-side "protection"?; eg, "la labno"; "la xrula"; or
>> if "la ka trina" is valid, then a name containing "la'u" should
>> also be valid; finally, tanru, lujvo, and fu'ivla can also
>> contain the sequence "la" not preceded by a consonant.
>> I wouldn't think that these names would need dot-side
>> protection; only those which are cmevla.
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If you want the name &quot;Katrina&quot;, it&#39;s {la.katrinas.}, not {la.=
katrina.}. Also, since Lojban&#39;s stress is penultimate, you don&#39;t ne=
ed to explicitly mark {tri}.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct =
31, 2011 at 4:28 PM, .arpis. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglov=
er64%2Bjbobau@gmail.com">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">How is {la ka trina} distinguishable from {=
la .kaTRIna.}?<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM, H. Felton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:lojban707@fagricipni.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban707@fagricipni.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Regarding the dot-side issue: was a consensu=
s ever reached on<br>
the pro-dot-side whether cmene that contained the sequence<br>
&quot;la&quot; not preceded by a consonant, but which were not cmevla<br>
needed dot-side &quot;protection&quot;?; eg, &quot;la labno&quot;; &quot;la=
 xrula&quot;; or<br>
if &quot;la ka trina&quot; is valid, then a name containing &quot;la&#39;u&=
quot; should<br>
also be valid; finally, tanru, lujvo, and fu&#39;ivla can also<br>
contain the sequence &quot;la&quot; not preceded by a consonant.<br>
I wouldn&#39;t think that these names would need dot-side<br>
protection; only those which are cmevla.<br>
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</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><font color=
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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