2011/10/30 Bob LeC= hevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org>

Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote:

just to summarize the discussion here.
It seems that none of you think that it's a good idea to missionize loj= ban around the world right now (even if I would like to do just that here i= n Sweden when my lojban-skills are better).

I'm not sure what you mean by "missionize".

We certainly are interested in promoting new Lojban use, and even better wh= en it is non-native English speakers. =A0We are holding off on starting any= thing major as an organization, in part because the byfy work needs to be c= omplete, and we need more tools (and probably texts) for Lojban learners, s= o that if a big push produced a big response, we would be prepared to deal = with it.

As an organization, we aren't especially promoting "Lojban as an i= nternational language" in the sense that many people intend Esperanto,= but we have no problem with individuals interested in such a thing doing s= o on their own, or with like-minded Lojbanists.

Instead you would like to improve the language itself first.

Any and all official language changes must go through the byfy process, and= there isn't much sentiment for any changes that haven't already se= en experimental usage. =A0(See for example the discussion of the "dot = side")

Some of you would like to make huge changes (like Muhammed), that would mak= e it a totally different language. I don't see why really, since I thin= k lojban generally has a great grammatical structure. Others (including me)= would like to make less significant changes, for example to revise some of= the word definitions (especielly to be consistent about name of species, c= olours, scientifical and metaphysical concepts etc).

If we choose to redefine the words whenever someone thinks they have a bett= er definition, the words will never stop changing.

If you want a word with a different definition that the one that is there, = make a new word - preferably a lujvo.

Matt Arnold:

"Most of the people who are centrally active in the language do not want it to become a transnational language. I, for one, see no
benefit, and see a great deal of harm that would do."

ok, I don't agree since I only see advantages with a global language. <= br>

There may be advantages, but the body of actual Lojban speakers seemingly a= ren't that interested in it. =A0In general, people interested in the in= ternational language concept have tended to gravitate towards Esperanto, In= terlingua and other such languages whose communities are entirely focused o= n that aspect of language.

Some have turned to Lojban, and we welcome such Lojbanists. =A0But there ar= en't many for whom that is their main interest - or at least those who = are interested do not talk about that interest very much.

But if we're going to improve the language, I still insist that we have= to be more organized.

If you want to improve the language, first become a skilled user. =A0Then u= se the language to gain experience as well as credibility.

As far as organization, byfy is the sole organization to consider changes, = and right now it is a benevolent dictatorship run by byfy jatna Robin Powel= l, because too many people say that they want to improve the language defin= itions, but in several years, very few actually DO what is needed (which st= arts with solidifying the description of the status quo.)

>Who will remember what has been said in this forum

6 months ago?

That is why we retain archives.

=A0I think it would be better to have different projects

clearly listed on the lojban web site: grammatical-logical projects, projec= ts to make templates for constructing new name of species, terminology in d= ifferent scientific fields, metaphysical concepts (philosophy, religion, ne= w age etc), definitions of colors etc etc. And to specify how many persons = is engaged in each project, the current status and so on.

There is only one such project with official standing, and that is byfy. = =A0You should be able to find a great deal about it on the lojban.org website.

There is no intent to recognize outside efforts to change the language. =A0= We can't stop such things, and won't even try to do so, but there i= s only one official language, and that is what LLG promotes.

lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier =A0 =A0lojbab@lojban.org =A0 =A0www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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