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<4EADB4A9.9050903@lojban.org> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: Probably better for me to just focus on becoming a more > skilled user and then start to teach lojban in Sweden in the future. Excellent! > I understand the benefits of broad/vague meanings of gismu, but=20 > sometimes I think the gismus are too vague. > Like in the discussion about colors. Some cultures without distinctions= =20 > between brown and purple probably define {bunre} and {zirpu} as=20 > synonyms, but then I'm talking colors with someone I would like to be=20 > sure that for example brown is brown and purple is purple. One solution is lujvo with a reference, e.g chocolate brown, sky blue. The fact that cultures have differences in how and what colors they=20 distinguish is one reason why we kept them vague. > My suggestion=20 > is still therefore to use a technical reference of color as a set point,= =20 > and instead be pretty vague about the range. skari could take among other things, a wavelength in x2, or some other=20 technical reference > When it comes to name species I usually interpret gismu as x1 is of some= =20 > species within a given genus, which is vague enough I think. We avoided being specific here as well, but some of the gismu expressly=20 call for a species in x2. > I really don't want to make the language more tight and make it more=20 > normative than it already is, but somehow I would like to use consistent= =20 > system of scientific terminology for them who are interested in using=20 > lojban that way.=20 To get into technical and scientific terminology that varies from=20 colloquial usage ("varied" can include being especially precise),=20 fu'ivla are in order. > I just don't know how to put this. Since I'm not > skilled in lojban and doesn't understand the more theoretical=20 > discussions here, I am moderately skilled and I don't understand them either, even while=20 being called "Founder" zo'o > and also because the fact that I understand english > far more better than my actual usage of it, I feel pretty frustrated. I= =20 > think I just have to let it go right now and concentrate on=20 > communication instead. But at the same time I would also like to invent= =20 > lujvo when I have use for it, and then again I think consistency is a=20 > good thing. Inventing lujvo is a good thing, especially if you think about place=20 structures when doing so. Consistency isn't really possible for ad hoc=20 coinages. Try to be consistent with your own standards; others will do=20 so with theirs. Eventually, when there are multiple words proposed for=20 the same concept, we can consider making choices (but we don't have to=20 do so even then). More important is that people be able to look up what=20 the word means if they cannot get the meaning from context+etymology. In scientific writing, we tend to be more concerned with precision. On=20 the other hand, poets and others often invent new words which are in no=20 dictionary, and people still find the poems meaningful. lojbab --=20 Bob LeChevalier lojbab@lojban.org www.lojban.org President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.