Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:52928) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RLG6x-0003Lv-57; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:50 -0700 Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29sf671997qyk.16 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LvhY60CXb/x4NE4rDge7aXigKGYfF3GAXU9PJztO8R8=; b=QLP0VvaR2LaRbUxAtMM5HGz3iadopz/kz+ZoTXU48+HJjN6f+DDG+0dV4XKnDmuVjF vYt+pHgtaLVFHb/rBuudbtWrOtBu83EOOZ0flIuyhTwhgE+4xB6XPbK/dD9NgSHOjokL AW0TW678IEn5jQIVQbpoYWdL0/iazVi2w8kt8= Received: by 10.229.214.143 with SMTP id ha15mr573091qcb.21.1320160717533; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.184.209 with SMTP id cl17ls15728031qab.0.gmail; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.192.10 with SMTP id do10mr24515016qab.6.1320160716884; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.192.10 with SMTP id do10mr24515014qab.6.1320160716871; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com (mail-qw0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j29si15132673qcs.2.2011.11.01.08.18.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.53; Received: by qadc1 with SMTP id c1so9149384qad.40 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.74.4 with SMTP id p4mr3949049obv.15.1320160716694; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.37.70 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:18:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:18:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] a fourth "we" in English? From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0445182990a48004b0adde76 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0445182990a48004b0adde76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We could say {zo'ei mi ji'apro lai .ienkiz.}. On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > It occurred to me the other day, that while in lojban we have three "we"s > -- mi'o (me and you), mi'a (me and not-you), ma'a (me, you, and not-you), > that "we" is used in English in another way, which doesn't involve "me" at > all -- such as "We beat the Yankees" or "We shouldn't rape our enemies's > woman, that's just wrong". I guess this is metonymy? Anyway, is there a > way to do this in lojban? > --gejyspa > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0445182990a48004b0adde76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We could say {zo'ei mi ji'apro lai .ienkiz.}.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com= > wrote:
It occurred to me the= other day, that while in lojban we have three "we"s -- mi'o = (me and you), mi'a (me and not-you), ma'a (me, you, and not-you), t= hat "we" is used in English in another way, which doesn't inv= olve "me" at all -- such as "We beat the Yankees" or &q= uot;We shouldn't rape our enemies's woman, that's just wrong&qu= ot;.=A0 I guess this is metonymy? Anyway, is there a way to do this in lojb= an?
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