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Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:21:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20111101095715.GD15924@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201111012121.05434.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday 01 November 2011 07:25:37 Sebastian Fr=F6jd wrote: > - Bilingualists seem to develop language slightly slower, but on the othe= r > side they perform better on some cognitive tasks, like creative thinking. > Most important thing is to be consistent, that the same person use the sa= me > language under the same condition. I know a Brazilian man married to a Costa Rican woman. Both speak Portugues= e=20 with their daughter, who is learning all three languages. He speaks English= =20 with an American accent, having come here at the age of 5, and Spanish with= a=20 Brazilian accent, which puzzles me, since I can pick up accents pretty well= =20 when learning a language. I guess they speak Portuguese since that's the=20 least common of the three languages here. I grew up speaking English and learning French as soon as I could read. I a= lso=20 learned to hear Spanish when my mother talked on the phone; my father never= =20 learned Spanish, and my comic books were mostly in French. I now speak=20 Spanish pretty well, with the same accent as my aunt, though some Salvadora= n=20 accents sound different. > - Sign language can stimulate early language development. The ideal would > be a lojban-based (simplified?) sign language, but since no such thing > exists today maybe "baby signs" would be a pretty simple way of > communicating with infant as complementary to lojban. Other famous sign > languages are american sign language, british sign language, swedish sign > language, and in fact every geographic region got their own version. > Another benefit of sign language is that it decrease the child's > frustration in situations where the child is trying to express it's basic > needs with the risk of being misunderstood by the adult. I have a baby sign book; the signs are Ameslan, though some vocab is=20 simplified (IIRR only one of the three negatives is listed). One reason for= =20 learning sign language is that hand-eye coordination matures earlier than= =20 mouth-ear coordination. I suggest teaching a baby two closely related spoke= n=20 languages, a spoken language unrelated to the first two, and a sign languag= e. --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.