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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l5si1272699pbe.2.2011.11.01.21.49.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RLSl9-0006n9-47 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:49:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:49:07 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Supporting Lojbanic babies. Message-ID: <20111102044906.GB26004@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111101095715.GD15924@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111012121.05434.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201111012121.05434.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 09:21:02PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > - Sign language can stimulate early language development. The > > ideal would be a lojban-based (simplified?) sign language, but > > since no such thing exists today maybe "baby signs" would be a > > pretty simple way of communicating with infant as complementary > > to lojban. Other famous sign languages are american sign > > language, british sign language, swedish sign language, and in > > fact every geographic region got their own version. Another > > benefit of sign language is that it decrease the child's > > frustration in situations where the child is trying to express > > it's basic needs with the risk of being misunderstood by the > > adult. > > I have a baby sign book; the signs are Ameslan, though some vocab > is simplified (IIRR only one of the three negatives is listed). > One reason for learning sign language is that hand-eye > coordination matures earlier than mouth-ear coordination. I > suggest teaching a baby two closely related spoken languages, a > spoken language unrelated to the first two, and a sign language. Unfortunately, I'm the *only* person in the babys' circle that speaks more than one language, and I speak English and Lojban, so that limits our options rather a lot. One of my gfs is going to try to learn baby sign to do with the babies, but I don't know where she's going to find the time. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.