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On 11/02/2011 10:43 AM, najrut wrote:
> I'm strongly against manual adding new words. Why don't use some=20
> algorithm similar to used in scoreGismu ?
>
> chinese =E5=97=9D ge
> hindi Hicak=C4=AB hicak
> english hiccup xikap
> spanish hipo xip
> arabic =D9=81=D9=88=D8=A7=D9=82 [fwaq] fuak
> russian =D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=B0=D1=82=D1=8C [ikats'] ika
>
>
All this makes me like type-4 fu'ivla even less. Here I am, bobbing=20
along, reading my Lojban text. I come across an unfamiliar word. Gee,=20
whatever could this be? Oh, of course, it's a combination of the Spanish=20
and Russian. Or it's the native term for something. So all I need to do=20
to understand Lojban is to learn the (effectively a priori) gismu and=20
rafsi, and be able to recognize ALL THE OTHER LANGUAGES THERE ARE. These=20
fu'ivla are effectively a priori words like gismu, except that gismu are=20
fixed in number and have a fixed authoritative list. If everyone=20
randomly makes up words when they can't be bothered to think of a good=20
lujvo (which is not to say that all fu'ivla can be replaced by lujvo,=20
but (a) I think more of them can than is commonly claimed, and (b) even=20
given that I'm wrong about that, you can bet that there are no few=20
fu'ivla that are/will be invented that would be better as lujvo), then=20
we get a million non-mutually-intelligible dialects, not a language at=20
all. And even for fu'ivla that are legitimately fu'ivla, there will=20
still be arbitrarily many different forms depending on the biases and=20
knowledge of each coiner.

I think at *least* you should give some sort of heads-up in the form of=20
prefixed rafsi (type-3 fu'ivla), maybe start to learn to transition from=20
type-3 to type-4 as it becomes more familiar (make dropping off that=20
rafsi for well-known words a "natural" part of colloquial and fluent=20
speech), and make type-4 fu'ivla only when they are (or will be) more or=20
less universally recognized. Or at the very least make sure there's a=20
Central Repository, an Academie Lojbanique, to approve these fu'ivla so=20
at least I have someplace to look them up.

~mark

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