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Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> We only have klaku, which requires tears.  I don't normally produce
> tears when I cry, and the babies can cry for hours without producing
> any at all.
> 
> I've been using {dunku krixa} for the babies, but I myself
> frequently cry (as in, my internal physiological experience is that
> of crying) without sound or tears.

dunku alone would be sufficient to describe your "internal physiological 
experience that does not involve making a sound.

krixa alone is sufficient to describe what a baby might do for hours, 
with or without tears.  Prepending dunku to it attributes the crying to 
a specific emotion/physiological experience that the baby might not 
actually be experiencing, and it begs for a se dunku that you (probably) 
cannot know exists.

(of course in talking to the baby, you might ask "dunku ma" in response 
to lo nu krixa, bearing in mind that the answer (the baby doesn't know 
to respond with) might be "na'i")

Why be more specific than "krixa" alone when you don't know that ka 
dunku is involved?

I'll stretch a little on this with regard to your general topic and 
observe that when talking to children, most people tend to use simple 
vocabulary even at the cost of some accuracy in what they are saying.  I 
would be striving for fluent speech at this point, focusing on good 
pronunciation because the sounds rather than the words are what the 
babies are capable of learning at this stage - it matters more how you 
say it than what you say.

I think I would also be using lots of attitudinals and evidentials and 
the like - simple words without much concept behind them.  Rather than 
stressing complete sentences with multiple places filled in, lots of 
observatives with attitudinal notes seem in order.

There are books and on-line materials on early childhood language 
acquisition that might provide additional insights on talking to infants 
  in general (and the resulting effect on language acquisition) that you 
can look into during the wee hours.  You might also want to make contact 
with the Klingonist who tried talking to his infant in that language to 
learn if any lessons were learned that might be relevant to Lojban.

lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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