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I'm not sure what you mean by the lerfu names being ambiguous.

{ky} and {ky bu} sound different to me, and {bu} is not used only (or
primarily) for vowels (mu'a denpa bu)

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Muhammad Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>wrot=
e:

> Also, when I post a question, say how many times (approximately) you have
> been asked about it...
> 1. The names of lerfu in Lojban are 'very' ambiguous... The only way
> to differentiate between 'k' and 'q' is to use something normally used fo=
r
> a vowel...
> EX: In languages that use the Arabic alphabet;
> /g/ written as =D8=AC is called /gi:m/
> /=C6=B7/ written as =D8=AC is called /=C6=B7i:m/
> /=C6=B7/ written as =DA=86 is called /d=C6=B7eh/
> /=C6=B7/ written as =DA=98 is called /=C6=B7eh/
> /g/ written as =DA=AF is called /ga:f/
> /t=CA=83/ written as =DA=86 is called /t=CA=83eh/
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I&#39;m not sure what you mean by the lerfu names being ambiguous.<br><br>{=
ky} and {ky bu} sound different to me, and {bu} is not used only (or primar=
ily) for vowels (mu&#39;a denpa bu)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Th=
u, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Muhammad Nael <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:muhammad.nael@gmail.com">muhammad.nael@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1"=
>Also, when I post a question, say how many times (approximately) you have =
been asked about it...</font><div>
<font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1">1. The names of lerfu in Lojban=
 are &#39;very&#39; ambiguous... The only way to=C2=A0differentiate=C2=A0be=
tween &#39;k&#39; and &#39;q&#39; is to use something normally used for a v=
owel...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1">EX: In languages that use =
the Arabic alphabet;</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=
=3D"1">/g/ written as =D8=AC is called /gi:m/</font></div><div><font face=
=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1">/<span style=3D"line-height:17px">=C6=B7<=
/span>/ written as =D8=AC is called /<span style=3D"line-height:17px">=C6=
=B7</span>i:m/</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1">/<span style=3D"line-heigh=
t:17px">=C6=B7</span>/ written as=C2=A0<span style=3D"line-height:17px">=DA=
=86 is called /d</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px">=C6=B7</span><span =
style=3D"line-height:17px">eh/</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1"><span style=3D"line-height=
:17px">/</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px">=C6=B7</span><span style=3D=
"line-height:17px">/ written as=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px=
">=DA=98 is called /</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px">=C6=B7eh/</span=
></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" size=3D"1"><span style=3D"line-height=
:17px">/g/ written as=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px">=DA=AF i=
s called /ga:f/</span></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" si=
ze=3D"1"><span style=3D"line-height:17px">/t</span><span style=3D"line-heig=
ht:17px">=CA=83/ written as=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px">=
=DA=86 is called /t</span><span style=3D"line-height:17px">=CA=83eh/</span>=
</font></div>
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