Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:57982) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RM2un-0002lT-5j; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:33 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf3212603wye.16 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UZZe7YxfVqTlhEUUTjcoM1J6JuW1V0h6Zd+NkCSlpyc=; b=Z+OkKt2EOxRl+yUk2grfGHX5flYQV/xf3mR2R8Rhy3KG3DG254tedf0AGIJGxvGFKT v8TuuyoglCUjNMxEM6kONpown8GMtD/6cmdsEZtu66GIIslDA0AdRRC13UGsT9gyXATe JdqIaNLUWZVZiBTVfXOuQoUf6njfposiRrmx0= Received: by 10.216.172.20 with SMTP id s20mr888180wel.21.1320348319018; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:19 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.28.197 with SMTP id n5ls839460ebc.3.gmail; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.9.203 with SMTP id m11mr1065148ebm.9.1320348317813; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.9.203 with SMTP id m11mr1065147ebm.9.1320348317786; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f45.google.com (mail-fx0-f45.google.com [209.85.161.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t21si870429faf.0.2011.11.03.12.25.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.45; Received: by mail-fx0-f45.google.com with SMTP id p15so2251701faa.4 for ; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.66 with SMTP id 2mr18518328fau.26.1320348317642; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.1.7 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:25:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <17294635.733.1320160412847.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqce21> <15299677.1288.1320305653443.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqnx19> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:25:17 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new guide that needs guidance From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747624e73f09704b0d98cca X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --00151747624e73f09704b0d98cca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/11/3 M. Nael > We do. The name of Q is "kybu". > > I meant more distinctive names, as per the example I mentioned for Arabic= =D8=AC > I don't know what you mean by distinctive. Each name is associated with exactly one thing. .uibu, for example, is the name of ":)". You can't use .uibu to refer to anything else. > Yes, it is possible to say/write Lojban bridi in the such a way as to act >> like it's an SOV language. Or an OSV one, or a VSO one, or any other wor= d >> order. But Lojban doesn't have /verbs/, so it would only be /appearing/ = to >> be such-it wouldn't actually be. > > I know Lojban's word is virtually unconstrained (or really, haven't > reached that level yet). But I meant if it could act as a real SOV > language, like Latin; without place tags or swithcers... eg. {zo'e zo'e > zo'e rupnu} instead of {zo'e rupnu zo'e zo'e} or maybe {zo'e zo'e zo'e cu > rupnu}? > The sumti in a bridi, other than the first, can appear either before or after the selbri. {lo mlatu cu kalte lo cipni lonu kelci}, {lo mlatu lo cipni cu kalte lonu kelci}, and {lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu kalte} are all the same bridi. The convention is for only the first to be before the selbri, likely because the sooner the listener hears the selbri, the sooner he knows what the sumti relations are. {lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu klama} is a completely different bridi, but no one listening would know that until the very last word is said. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00151747624e73f09704b0d98cca Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2011/11/3 M. Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com><= br>
We do. The name of Q is "kybu".
I meant more distinctive names, as per the example I mentioned f= or Arabic =CC

I don't know what you mean by distinctive. Each name is associat= ed with exactly one thing. .uibu, for example, is the name of ":)"= ;. You can't use .uibu to refer to anything else.
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Yes, it is possible to say/write Lojban bridi in the such a way as = to act like it's an SOV language. Or an OSV one, or a VSO one, or any o= ther word order. But Lojban doesn't have /verbs/, so it would only be /= appearing/ to be such-it wouldn't actually be.
I know Lojban's word is=A0virtually unconstrained (or really= , haven't reached that level yet). But I meant if it could act as a rea= l SOV language, like Latin; without place tags or swithcers... eg. {zo'= e zo'e zo'e rupnu} instead of {zo'e rupnu zo'e zo'e} or= maybe {zo'e zo'e zo'e cu rupnu}?

The sumti in a bridi, other than the first, can= appear either before or after the selbri.

{lo mlatu cu kalte lo cip= ni lonu kelci}, {lo mlatu lo cipni cu kalte lonu kelci}, and {lo mlatu lo c= ipni lonu kelci cu kalte} are all the same bridi. The convention is for onl= y the first to be before the selbri, likely because the sooner the listener= hears the selbri, the sooner he knows what the sumti relations are.

{lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu klama} is a completely different bridi= , but no one listening would know that until the very last word is said.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko = cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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