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 Content preview:  > > The sumti in a bridi, other than the first, can appear
    either before or > after the selbri. > {lo mlatu cu kalte lo cipni lonu kelci},
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    cu kalte} are all the same bridi. > The convention is for only the first
   to be before the selbri, likely > because the sooner the listener hears the
    selbri, the sooner he knows what > the sumti relations are. > {lo mlatu lo
    cipni lonu kelci cu klama} is a completely different bridi, > but no one
   listening would know that until the very last word is said. [...] 
 
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>
> The sumti in a bridi, other than the first, can appear either before or
> after the selbri.
> {lo mlatu cu kalte lo cipni lonu kelci}, {lo mlatu lo cipni cu kalte lonu
> kelci}, and {lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu kalte} are all the same bridi.
> The convention is for only the first to be before the selbri, likely
> because the sooner the listener hears the selbri, the sooner he knows what
> the sumti relations are.
> {lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu klama} is a completely different bridi,
> but no one listening would know that until the very last word is said.

That settles the SOV part...


>  I don't know what you mean by distinctive. Each name is associated with
> exactly one thing. .uibu, for example, is the name of ":)". You can't use
> .uibu to refer to anything else.

"uibu" is distinctive enough because 'ui' is distinctive... but I
can't distinguish py. and by. Ignoring any technicalities; no aspiration or
anything else. In English (Bi) and (Pi) are difficult to tell apart, while
in Arabic (Zey=z) as a letter can't be mistaken for (Dhal=th in then).
_OFF

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px=
; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-wi=
dth: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 1ex; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-fami=
ly: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 25=
5, 0.917969); ">The sumti in a bridi, other than the first, can appear eith=
er before or after the selbri.<br>
</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(34, 34, 34); fo=
nt-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgba(255, =
255, 255, 0.917969); ">{lo mlatu cu kalte lo cipni lonu kelci}, {lo mlatu l=
o cipni cu kalte lonu kelci}, and {lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu kalte} a=
re all the same bridi. The convention is for only the first to be before th=
e selbri, likely because the sooner the listener hears the selbri, the soon=
er he knows what the sumti relations are.<br>
</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(34, 34, 34); fo=
nt-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgba(255, =
255, 255, 0.917969); ">{lo mlatu lo cipni lonu kelci cu klama} is a complet=
ely different bridi, but no one listening would know that until the very la=
st word is said.</span></blockquote>
<div>That settles the SOV part...</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px=
; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 2=
04, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
=A0<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-f=
amily: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; background-color: rgba(255, 255,=
 255, 0.917969); ">I don&#39;t know what you mean by distinctive. Each name=
 is associated with exactly one thing. .uibu, for example, is the name of &=
quot;:)&quot;. You can&#39;t use .uibu to refer to anything else.</span></b=
lockquote>
<div>&quot;uibu&quot; is distinctive enough because &#39;ui&#39; is distinc=
tive... but I can&#39;t=A0distinguish=A0py. and by. Ignoring any=A0technica=
lities; no aspiration or anything else. In English (Bi) and (Pi) are diffic=
ult to tell apart, while in Arabic (Zey=3Dz) as a letter can&#39;t be mista=
ken for (Dhal=3Dth in then).</div>
<div>_OFF</div></div>

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