Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:41217) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RMJUj-0001Md-OB; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:52 -0700 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf2195963vws.16 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2GZi80Q/VI6d1E5V9Mjnhg/S839ZCMJPmqBIDbn7VXM=; b=FHRKimZ2BTSlGUzT3lXufagNgSIhIzqR/cRBADevuA42bJZL/JW4+fFbWYQtBwojRh MNLbO11CVugf1ZpUMvJzA2eMadj8gs5m40BPAlvDnXHyi7WRgnCTZv0GRG0orLx6YNnM /Q/k5CntCrbfDGkwwf7q6Kqej56FFKLawvPHg= Received: by 10.52.73.130 with SMTP id l2mr2285841vdv.14.1320412048429; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.2.12 with SMTP id e12ls6396105ani.3.gmail; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.6.5 with SMTP id j5mr3805146ani.12.1320412046661; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.6.5 with SMTP id j5mr3805145ani.12.1320412046626; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f50.google.com (mail-pz0-f50.google.com [209.85.210.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m4si3219402ict.6.2011.11.04.06.07.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.50; Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so4086868pzk.9 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.17.34 with SMTP id l2mr2897829obd.2.1320412045404; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.43.104 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:07:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <17294635.733.1320160412847.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqce21> <201111031937.00437.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new guide that needs guidance From: ".arpis." To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044471e5ec6b2404b0e86211 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d044471e5ec6b2404b0e86211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -It looks like I went too deep here so I'll round it up... > Why doesn't lojban have something even remotely like NATO's alphabet? > http://dag.github.com/cll/17/20/ > Not long names for lerfu but just different enough. I know how pronounce = a > quite large part of the IPA main chart but don't ask me to do strange > vowels... ie. I can say py. and by. But I can't differentiate them. So wh= y > not something like (byb. pyp.) for example? > They don't differ in the vowels but by consonants; if you can't tell a "b" from a "p", how would adding more of them solve the problem> > > -There are natlangs that use verbs as adjectives, called stative verbs if > I recall. Compound predicates, I haven't reached that yet and I'm scannin= g > the lessons bit by bit. > > *=E2=80=BA=E2=80=BA 3.* I noticed (mi'e) and (mi'afra) which look like a = (mi) with things > attached... Should this mean that whenever there's an apostrophe for the > sound /h/, the syllables before and after the apostrophe should be counte= d > as one word? ie. /h/ could never be at the beginning or the end of a word= ? > Correct; {y'y} is always in the middle of a word, between two vowels. Personally, I skimmed through L4B quickly, and got most of my lojban knowledge from the CLL, but I know that's not for everyone. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --f46d044471e5ec6b2404b0e86211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
-It looks like I went too deep here so I'll round it up...
Why doesn't lojban have something even remotely like NATO's al= phabet?
Not long names for lerfu but just different enough. = I know how pronounce a quite large part of the IPA main chart but don't= ask me to do strange vowels... ie. I can say py. and by. But I can't= =C2=A0differentiate=C2=A0them. So why not something like (byb. pyp.) for ex= ample?
They don't differ in the vowels but by consonan= ts; if you can't tell a "b" from a "p", how would a= dding more of them solve the problem>

-There are natlangs that use verbs as adjectives, calle= d stative verbs if I recall. Compound predicates, I haven't reached tha= t yet and I'm scanning the lessons bit by bit.

=E2=80=BA=E2=80=BA 3. I noticed (mi'e) and (mi'afra) wh= ich look like a (mi) with things attached... Should this mean that whenever= there's an apostrophe for the sound /h/, the=C2=A0syllables=C2=A0befor= e and after the apostrophe should be counted as one word? ie. /h/ could nev= er be at the=C2=A0beginning=C2=A0or the end of a word?
Correct; {y'y} is always in the middle of a wor= d, between two vowels.

Personally, I skimmed through L4B quickly, an= d got most of my lojban knowledge from the CLL, but I know that's not f= or everyone.

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