Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:57580) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RMJW6-0001QN-Tk; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:09:10 -0700 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf2256738bka.16 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5e4OZv0LEHQ5S3c94r1L3ILNgVsC1gKX6iKugSn2Auw=; b=HDrGpDBhYscdIEBfFO87b7+6yBJfS0LKi/CdIDkn1NzZcz23oNkZdjLO1AgtMDlXmK ZpBMICxzhcVp21DsR+t0J9cZtX3YuctiqMpj4gX4pkxXBcKJtisSQF4C6DXePnjZ5W5g aDPpaCTiF8B6a36j6M3BN02EiPqOHOY9aVIgI= Received: by 10.204.18.198 with SMTP id x6mr1280005bka.16.1320412136428; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.33.136 with SMTP id h8ls4879357bkd.0.gmail; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.184.2 with SMTP id ci2mr1725178bkb.7.1320412135312; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.184.2 with SMTP id ci2mr1725177bkb.7.1320412135300; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h3si4728875fao.3.2011.11.04.06.08.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.46; Received: by mail-fx0-f46.google.com with SMTP id o14so3869416faa.33 for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.165 with SMTP id tt5mr912149lab.23.1320412135140; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.10.38 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20111103234955.GA3758@gonzales> References: <4EA60BBC.1040707@gmail.com> <20111025021504.GB27114@gonzales> <4EA68224.1080406@gmail.com> <20111026033114.GB3119@gonzales> <4EA7BF06.5050103@gmail.com> <4EAA8AC9.2010000@gmail.com> <20111029001437.GA5535@gonzales> <4EAC2461.4040307@gmail.com> <20111029172822.GC9385@gonzales> <4EAC5B24.4000604@gmail.com> <20111103234955.GA3758@gonzales> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:08:55 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > Is a lion a kind? If so, what are its exemplars? > > Ah, I recall your answer: lion-stages. > > OK; is a lion-stage a kind? If so, what are its exemplars? When you ask the question that way, you make it sound as if there is a predetermined set of kinds, with a predetermined set of exemplars for every kind, fixed once and for all for every context. But that's just what we are saying is not the case. One way to further slice the lion stage is to consider the lion-stage-as-seen-from-the-right, the lion-stage-as-seen-from-the-left, the lion-stage-as-seen-from-the-front, and so on. mi viska lo cinfo .i do viska lo cinfo .i xu lo se viska be mi cu du lo se viska be do The answer to that question could be yes or no, it depends. Initially, and without any more information, it could be yes. But as you add more detail it may well turn into a no at some point. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.