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Jorge Llamb=EDas, On 05/11/2011 01:51:
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Martin Bays<mbays@sdf.org>  wrote:
>>     (B) {su'o ransedyta'u cu se dasni ro faspre},
>
>> If xorxes says (B) - or {ro faspre cu dasni lo ransedyta'u}, which
>> appears to be approximately equivalent
>
> The whole point of xorlo was to get away from the idea that "lo
> ransedyta'u" was equivalent to "su'o ransedyta'u".

They're different because su'o is scope-sensitive and lo isn't, but I see n=
o difference between {PA ransedyta'u cu se dasni ro faspre} and {ro faspre =
cu dasni lo PA ransedyta'u} (where PA is {pa} in each or {su'o} in each). O=
f course, if you stuck {na ku} in front, they'd become nonequivalent again,=
 because that would trigger the scope-sensitivity of PA.

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