Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:39078) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RMiGR-00006m-Sd; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:43 -0700 Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36sf5830276iag.16 for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-pgp-key :x-pgp-keyid:x-cunselcu'a-valsi:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=P9EFLmO55llQaAnyyJthKaOj9RmrTqJsv+/JetXjQho=; b=VN9p+wWaAoksTuIwy/ZGdboMAiOUjJpUHPNZpekqd5O1uNd3W7lNO/FyB57VnrNQB8 +bMWBlom7nG4nVFDdN3mYc6MsUY5VskrpuioY0XlkDHFNaaELahHdpRLzIb2xatD8bSy cAgDrJIrZSe737wE9WG9/ic2UAVtt872y9rtI= Received: by 10.50.168.70 with SMTP id zu6mr1909711igb.5.1320507267431; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.65.66 with SMTP id h2ls9274723ibi.2.gmail; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.48.202 with SMTP id ux10mr28953944icb.6.1320507266472; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.48.202 with SMTP id ux10mr28953942icb.6.1320507266459; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3si9283484pbd.0.2011.11.05.08.34.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from gonzales.homelinux.org (root@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pA5FYPn6009856 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:34:26 GMT Received: from martin by gonzales.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.75) (envelope-from ) id 1RMiGH-0004rx-Ho for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 05 Nov 2011 11:34:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 11:34:25 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable Message-ID: <20111105153425.GH24058@gonzales> References: <4EAC2461.4040307@gmail.com> <20111029172822.GC9385@gonzales> <4EAC5B24.4000604@gmail.com> <20111103234955.GA3758@gonzales> <4EB43035.6040407@gmail.com> <20111104233756.GB24058@gonzales> <20111105051200.GD24058@gonzales> <20111105151953.GG24058@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20111105151953.GG24058@gonzales> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: xadni User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of mbays@sdf.org designates 192.94.73.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Saturday, 2011-11-05 at 11:19 -0400 - Martin Bays : > ta'o nai, what about > {pa xabju cu turni ro xabju}? > Based on the berets example, it seems you would want to interpret this > as "residents govern all residents", i.e. the same as for {ro xabju cu > se turni lo xabju} above? >=20 > Or perhaps you wouldn't, but only because we have {xabju} on both the > left and the right, blocking a domain with only one xabju? If so, how > about {pa na'e xabju cu turni ro xabju}? In light of your reply to And of a few minutes ago, I see that I shouldn't be using {pa} here. So make that {su'o na'e xabju cu turni ro xabju} - by analogy with the berets, you'd hae that meaning that one-or-more *kinds* of non-resident rule all residents - being something we could have deduced from {ro xabju cu se turni su'o na'e xabju}? --rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk61V4EACgkQULC7OLX7LNbLKgCfbAPOAbDxpyXhvGwGHsgwnNEO dFYAoNHiCllQMyFfHaB3v6LdP+v7mZbx =JuVb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK--