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On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> I think I've made clear by now the sense in which it is effectively
> ambiguous; if not, I can try to be clearer.

I think I do get it. I just don't think it has anything to do with
logical structure.

> Assuming that is how {klesi} works (I find the gimste definition rather
> unclear), we would have e.g. that a type of hat selkle su'o mapku gi'e
> nai mapku.

Consider "a beret is a type of hat". I would say "lo ranmapku cu klesi
lo mapku".

You may have to resort to sets: "lo'i ranmapku cu klesi lo'i mapku",
but then you can't say something like "lo vi klesi be lo mapku cu
melmau lo va klesi be lo mapku". You'd have to resort to "lo('e) mapku
poi cmima lo vi klesi cu melmau lo('e) mapku poi cmima lo va klesi".
(And still explain how "lo'e" works.)

>> Presumably in Ready-Made there is only one level of events, so what
>> does it mean for an event to rapli any number other than one?
>
> With events, something like Blobularity might well be appropriate - the
> crucial point being that we have the tense system to specify carvings.
> So a nu broda is like a quantity of water - you can carve it up
> however you like and still get a nu broda.

If it's only some predicates that you restrict to mundanes, why would
"lo fasnu" or "lo rinka" not have the same problems of "lo mapku"?

> The only obvious alternative would be to say something like that an
> atomic nu broda corresponds to a connected component of the subset of
> space-time at which {broda} holds, and that events with multiple
> connected components are bunches. But I feel that might be too
> restrictive - any examples to show that it is?

We may have different ideas about what counts as "too restrictive".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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