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[129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o14si71524bkc.1.2011.11.06.02.49.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 02:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:92e6:baff:fe68:dd1c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E45947A2 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:49:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (arj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id pA6AnDCt009142 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:49:13 +0100 Received: (from arj@localhost) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id pA6AnDf2009140 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:49:13 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:49:13 +0100 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: "help" Message-ID: <20111106104913.GL15498@nvg.org> References: <20111106054303.GT8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111106054303.GT8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 10:43:04PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > "Sleeping helps you grow strong". I'm sure there's an obvious gismu > here, but I'm missing it. I checked the definition of {sidju}: x1 helps/assists/aids object/person x2 do/achieve/maintain event/activity x3. I've been assuming that x1 needs to be a person, but having an event in the x1 seems to be perfectly fine. Another possibility might be {to'e zunti} but maybe that goes beyond kiddie talk: x1 (evt./state) interferes with/hinders/disrupts x2 (evt./state/process) due to quality x3 (ka). -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Someone near the center of the room raises his hand. "Yes, you near the center," the woman says, pointing to him. "I used to drive nitro-burning ground-pounding six-second funny cars. Is there any chance that I'll be able to shake hands with the devil while I scream through the gates of Hell?" he asks. The woman responds, "I'm afraid that, due to the volume of new immigrants, the devil is unable to personally greet each new arrival." -- Michael J. 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